Isaiah's Prophecy and it's fulfillment in 1919 (yeah right).

by integ 13 Replies latest watchtower bible

• 

  integ

  I have been reading the Isaiah book part 2, the book the witnesses are studying right now at the book study. In this book they everything has a modern day fulfillment...WITH THEM. Just as in the Revelation book, where the 7 trumpet blasts are referred to as being bible student conventions in the 1920's. It was stated in one of the concluding chapters of this Isaiah book that the exiled Jews returning from Babylon after years of captivity have a "modern day fulfillment" when our dear brothers were in "spirtual captivity" in 1918 or whatever, and then brought into a "spiritual paradise" when the brothers were exonerated of the false charges made against them by the civil authorities in the grand year of 1919. Do they really believe that that was what Isaiah was referring to? I can answer that..YES. Who the @#$% cares about the circumstances surrounding this incident? I would guess 90 percent of the witnesses could'nt even tell you what happened then, no less "worldly people". That's how freaking significant it was. But yet it is an important fulfillment of bible prophecy? This supposition is so ridiculous it's not even laughable (well kinda). What really happened in 1919? I've read in the "Proclaimers" book about it, but I'd be interested to know the "Truth". Thanks for any you can provide.

  Integ.
• 

  Gamaliel

  Your best best would be to start with the work Amazing (Jim) did over here:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/59549/1.ashx

  After that it would be interesting to see just how many other groups were scrutinized in 1918 over the same "Sedition Act."

  Gamaliel
• 

  Hamas

  It was just the same in book one.

  Its all crap.
• 

  Spudinator

  In any case, there will be great joy in dubville when this abomination of a book is finished at the bookstudy. I can't remember how many local "friends" have made negative comments about this book and its unfortunate predecessor. All of which I heartily agree with.
• 

  Gamaliel

  Even though we're not supposed to do this, Amazing did such a good job that I'm going to try to get away with reposting what he put over there on that link I gave above:

  (From Amazing)

  I did a review of the JFR (Joseph Franklin Rutherford) trial. I have the entire trial transcript, including the meeting transcript from the pre-trial hearing and in judges chambers.

  Simply put: The Watchtower officers were not railroaded off to prison. They were guilty of subversion. The Society had plenty of time to build a case, but missused their time to try and influence the US Attorney to drop the case. Rutherford even had a friend on the jury that convicted them ... AND ... most important, they were NOT EXONERATED ... but rather, were released on a writ of error that the trial Judge permitted because he was leinient. Since the war was over, the government had no interest in putting JFR & company back on trial. The ENTIRE Watchtower interpretation of the trial is a bold-faced lie and has nothing to do with Bible prophecy.

  I gave a talk on this at the 2002 BRCI ... but I did not complete the series because it did not interest very many people on the board. You can click below to get what I did to date:

  Part 1: Trial of JFR et al

  Part 2a: JFR Trial - Judges Chambers

  Part 2b: JFR Trial - Judges Chambers - C...

  Part 2c: JFR Trial - Judges Chambers

  Part 2d: JFR Trial - Judges Chambers

  Part 3: JFR Trial - The Indictment (Good)

  Part 4a: JFR Trial - Jury Selection

  Part 4b: JFR Trial - Jury Selection (Cont'd)

  Part 4c: JFR Trial ... Criticizing the Government

  Part 4d: JFR Trial - The Surprise

  Part 5a: JFR Trial - 1st Witness

  Again, there is much, much more that shows this whole issue to be another Watchtower sham. So, if there seems to be interest, then I will resume the review of the trial. - Jim Whitney

  PS: The "Finished Mystery" book available today is missing he pages that offended the Government. The Society agreed to remove the offending pages to please the Government. It would be a rare find to get a copy of the original publication. Further, it was not really the FM book that caused the trial ... rather is was the letters by the Society officers to members of the Armed Forces on active duty that was the real crux of the trial.
• 

  RunningMan

  The events of 1919 regarding the imprisonment of the governing body were so insignificant that even Witnesses would not even know about them if it were not drilled into them. Worldly people do not have a clue that it even happened. Heck, I'll bet that most people who lived in 1919 didn't even know it happened.

  So, if the Bible's major prophecies can be fulfilled in such an insignificant event, what does it say about all of the other prophecies. Could Armageddon be just a Watchtower article? Could the great tribulation be nothing more than the Society facing lawsuits and tax assessments? - Well, sure, why not?

  They are falling all over themselves to reinforce their ideas, to the point where they have no perspective.
• 

  mizpah

  Even as a Jehovah's Witness, I found many of the explanations of the Watchtower Society "hard to swallow." This was especially true in its application of "type" and "anti-type." It was an old devise used by the Watchtower Society to formulate a fulfillment involving itself and its members. In that way, it gave some credence to its claim as being "God's organization." In retrospect, it is laughable.

  I remember how I cringed everytime a speaker would try to explain how the "trumpets" in Revelation 8 and 9 represented the messages delivered at various conventions in the 1920s. After leaving the organization, many other XJWs said they felt the same as I did at the time. It was so obvious that the earth shaking events described in Revelation could not possibly apply to the conventions of the Watchtower Society.
• 

  JeffT

  I still can't believe I let myself get swallowed up in this crap. Space aliens must of stolen my brain or something.
• 

  willyloman

  Runningman: This is a profound argument; nice work:

  The events of 1919 regarding the imprisonment of the governing body were so insignificant that even Witnesses would not even know about them if it were not drilled into them... if the Bible's major prophecies can be fulfilled in such an insignificant event, what does it say about all of the other prophecies... They are falling all over themselves to reinforce their ideas, to the point where they have no perspective.

  The Isaiah book(s) are partly responsible for my current fade. One day I asked myself, what kind of thinking goes into a decision to get 6 million religious adherents to spend almost THREE YEARS doing a word by word study of this dribble? Aren't we supposed to be studying the BIBLE? Instead, we get pretend bible study... See this book? It's about the bible, only better.
• 

  hooberus

  Here is something else that happened in 1919:

  "The wild beast that you saw was, but is not, and yet is about to ascend out of the abyss, and it is to go off into destruction. And when they see how the wild beast was, but is not, and yet will be present, those who dwell on the earth will wonder admiringly, but their names have not been written upon the scroll of life from the foundation of the world." Revelation 17:8 NWT

  "We cannot but admire the high principles embodied in the proposed League of Nations, formulated undoubtedly by those who have no knowledge of the great plan of God. This fact makes all the more wonderful the ideals which they express. For instance, it has been made plain by President Wilson and the advocates of his ideas that the proposed League of Nations is more than merely a league to enforce peace. They would not have us consider it to exclusively from the standpoint of politics or of military relations. It should be considered as fully from the economic and social points of view. The President's idea seems to be that the League of Nations which he proposes would stand for world service rather than mere world regulation in the military sense, and that the very smallest of nations shall be participants in its every arrangement. In other words, his idea undoubtedly is that the league shall not be established merely for the purpose of promoting peace by threat or coercion; but that its purpose, when put into operation, will be to make all nations of earth one great family, working together for the common benefit in all the avenues of national life. Truly this is idealistic, and approximates in a small way that which God has foretold that he will bring about after this great time of trouble." Watch Tower February 15, 1919 p.51 reprints page 6389

  Comments: The Watchtower loves to quote the beliefs of other religious organizations regarding the Leage of Nations. The Revelation (1988) Book quotes from several church's their endorsement of the ideals of the League. However as seen by comparing the above Watchtower quote to Revelation 17:8 the watchtower actually is closer to the exact words of Revelartion: ("wonder"- "wonderful")("admiringly"-"admire") than the other organizations which they condemn!!!!!