Truth, facts and evidence by J. Rutherford

by MacHislopp 10 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • MacHislopp
    MacHislopp

    Hello everyone,

    Warning :This topic is meant to be ?relaxing!

    Many time we have used facts to

    prove that something did really happen or to

    give convincing evidence in order to help the

    other part to achieve a better understanding of matters.

    This kind of practice is well known by the WTBS

    Inc., which uses it all time and bring to the attentions

    of the R&F, all sorts of " evidence in proof "-

    Please allow to give you a tipical example where the WTBS Inc., actually goes further and gives a definition of " evidence/s"

    The quotes are taken from the book " The Harp of God ",

    by J.F. Rutherford , published by the I.B.S.A.,

    the "Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, N.Y. U.S.A."

    and the Peoples Pulpit Association, Brooklyn ,N.Y. "

    ( 1928 edition).

    Let's begin with page 245 , paragraph 420 :

    " Evidence is that which is submitted to ascertain and establish the truth upon a question at issue or for determi-nation. Positive evidence is that which is given by witnesses who testify to things which they have seen and know to be true. Circumstantial evidence is a combination of harmonious circumstances which naturally lead to a certain result, as effect from cause."

    Are you still there? It continues:

    "Where things transpire in accordance with God's fixed laws, and such facts we know to be true , these may be said to be physical facts. If God has caused his holy prophets to testify that certain things would come to pass at some unknown time, and then such events do transpire which we see and known to be true , such facts are pro perly called physical facts, and such proof is properly called circumstantial evidence ."

    Hello,no headache yet? Then you?re ready for page 245

    paragraph 421 :

    " The reliability of positive evidence depends much upon circumstances which are known to be true. If therefore we find that certain events have come to pass in our day and that these events are known to us and known to be true, and that such events and facts are exactly in harmony with divine prophecy, then we may say, these are physical facts which we may confidently rely upon as competent proof to establish the question for determination . The question now at issue and for determination is, When did the Lord come to his temple, and what is the proof thereof?"

    Hello ?are you still there?

    Please do remember that the author of this material, was part of "God's channel" , "anointed heir of Jesus Christ" , "member of the ? Governing Body" , appointed by Jesus Christ .

    Yes, he is the same - author - who wrote, on page 251 and

    paragraph 430 :

    " It would be reasonable to expect him to be present some time before he would take unto himself his great power to reign. His presence beginning in 1874, he has carried on his harvest work from 1878 forward, but has not interrupted t he Gentile dominion until that dominion should end. The end of the Gentile rule, therefore, would mark necessarily The end of the world. We should expect, then, to find 1914 as the beginning of the end of the old world or Satan's organization. And that this would take place during the pre sence of the Lord he definitely stated."

    I do hope that you've have found this example

    quite interesting and/or amusing and of course

    a true example of ? clearly written words? .

    Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

    "Historia est testis temporum, lux veritatis, vita memoriae,

    magistra vitae, nuntia vetustatis".

    (Cicerone , De Oratore, II)

  • mizpah
    mizpah

    This material could only come from a former lawyer...haha

  • DanTheMan
    DanTheMan

    This material could only come from a drunken lawyer.

    That was painful reading.

  • Aztec
    Aztec

    Was any of that supposed to make sense? Hard to believe this was about the time my Great-Grandparents were studying, of course, they were Romanian immigrants so maybe it made more sense in your second language...LOL!

    ~Aztec

  • rocketman
    rocketman

    And this is the same guy who came up with their blood doctrine.....

  • freedom96
    freedom96

    I have a headache now.

  • maybesbabies
    maybesbabies

    Beautiful example of circular logic, Mac! If we know something must be true, then of course we will recognize the evidence for it!!!! Thanks for your post, just goes to show that if you confuse people enough, they will think there must be some logic to it!!!!!

  • Flowerpetal
    Flowerpetal

    Please do remember that the author of this material, was part of "God's channel" , "anointed heir of Jesus Christ" , "member of the ? Governing Body" , appointed by Jesus Christ .

    .....Or just lawyer double talk.....

  • MacHislopp
    MacHislopp

    Hello everyone,

    these few lines are to apologize for the headache that this

    topic might have caused to any of you...!

    I knew it was quite painful to read it.

    Flowerpetal, the quote simply state what J. Rutherford

    has claimed , all the time since he was elected 'president'

    in the year 1917, until his death in 1942!

    Not too bad for ...one of Christ brothers!

    Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

  • RunningMan
    RunningMan

    Wow. If that's the most coherent statement of which "God's Mouthpiece" is capable, then I suspect that God has a short circuit somewhere between his brain and his mouth.

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