My defense speech before the judicial committee (page 2)

Beth Sarim

Yeah,,,I didn't want to sound like such an "old grouch" about,,,,its just away too long and hard to read through all of it.

Vanderhoven7

It seems that Disfellowshipped-Brother has left the building. He may have initially thought this was a WTS recognized site.

BluesBrother

Nothing wrong with the sentiment behind the post but if it were delivered to a committee they would be 🥱 then 😴 before halfway.

Fisherman

How is the speech relevant or a defense?

1. You are a member of JW

2. JW elders have jurisdiction over you.

3. JW have a code of conduct that all JW must follow

4 You were being accused of violating the JW code of conduct. If you want to be a JW you need to try to live by the code.

5. A defense is showing you didn’t break the code or mitigating why you did. Your speech doesn’t do that, it challenges JW. That is not a defense. If you don’t believe in JW religion start your own. JW are not going to change because you don’t like JW anymore.

Listener

Fisherman, you ask how his speech was relevant or a defense.

It was relevant because he was in a Judicial Committee for apostasy. He was explaining to them exactly what his position was.

With point number 5, you give him a lecture explaining why his speech was not a defense.

Could you please highlight/quote where in his speech he was claiming he had a defense?

punkofnice

Oh, well. DFBro got that of his chest. There is a lot of pain caused by the ungodly rules of the Watchtower Corporation(tm). Until you come to realise that it isn't a real religion and that it is a big money grabbing business, a fake religion, it's hard to reconcile why they do these unChristian things.

I agree, too long to read all of it, really.

TonusOH

Listener, I would consider it a defense, in that the OP is responding to an accusation and explaining himself. I do think it is valid to defend yourself by claiming that your accusers have it wrong and that their accusation is misguided, even if you plan to walk away afterwards.

Listener

I agree TonusOH but Fisherman doesn't feel that the OP made any defense. So if he doesn't think he made any defense why does he think that the OP was claiming that he was?

Fisherman

I do think it is valid to defend yourself by claiming that your accusers have it wrong

For example if someone hits you and you retaliate by hitting them back. The State charges you with assault and you claim self defense and the State has it all wrong cuz you say the laws should be different and they took the land from the Indians and you are a sovereign citizen so you don’t need a driver’s license. By legal definition that is assault and not self defense.Some supporters may like what you say but in the jurisdiction of the church over you, you committed apostasy and you are not repentant. Outside the jurisdiction of the church you can call pink elephants a defense or believe whatever you like.

TonusOH

The person in question has the right to such a defense, even if the court rejects it and hands down an adverse judgment. "You are wrong, I did not assault that person" is a defense. "You are wrong, I did not commit apostasy" is a defense. If the person in question actually is a criminal or an apostate, that would make it a poor defense. But it is, nonetheless, an attempt to defend oneself from an accusation.

My defense speech before the judicial committee

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