Simon: You are claiming Gaad Saad is not biased?!.
I watched the Sargon interview.. not very impressed.
Anatomy of delegitimizing an anti-trump protest -- I am prophetic!
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Simon
Like I said, everyone has biases. But it's not fair to discount the experience that causes those - he knows about Islam for instance from escaping from it.
He also has interesting guests and explores interesting ideas and opinions.
But get back in your bubble, pull the duvet over your head and everything will be OK. The news and the celebrities are right, just listen to them.
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bohm
Simon:
But it's not fair to discount the experience that causes those - he knows about Islam for instance from escaping from it.
I do not have anything against Saad (he seemed both funny and nice), my comments were ment for Sargon.. If I had one objection I think he should have pushed him harder as an interviewer, regardless if he agrees with him or not (but that is a matter of taste). Does he do interviews with people he have disagreements with? (as far as I could tell, he did not find a single disagreement with Sargon).
Just one slight comment: What you are bringing up is his "lived experience". Not saying that is bad in any way, but keep it in mind the next time you hear something said about "lived experience" lol.
I do follow the right-of-the-middle wing media. As I said, I make it a habit to read breitbart and rt today, and I also follow left-wing sources, that's why I can even talk about similarities in the first place.
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Simon
Try this, a discussion about BLM / black communities:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8-jR6jGBGE
I think you mistake being civil with "agreeing". It's possible to have great discussions with people that you vehemently disagree with on certain issues.
Just one slight comment: What you are bringing up is his "lived experience". Not saying that is bad in any way, but keep it in mind the next time you hear something said about "lived experience" lol.
Because his is an actual lived experience, not some invented oppression - like so many others, he has actual experience with real Islam and Sharia etc... So many are being silenced by the left to the point that we should now believe some islamists pushing for Sharia law over Ayaan Hirsi Ali who she tries to have silenced and who, on the last interview I saw of her, said the one thing she'd be happy with is if people learned to think critically on issues to decide the truth for themselves.
One of those is a lying bitch pushing an evil agenda, the other is Ayaan Hirsi Ali. The people with an agenda typically don't want people to hear truth and facts about an issue, they just want to push lies and silence others.
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bohm
Simon: I do not support the BLM movement. I think the aspirations of the BLM movement are good (focus on police brutality and violence in black communities) but their rhetoric and attribution of cause for the violence to "the police" is not sitting well with me at all; this includes the name.
I also think Hirsis first book is one of the best biographies I have read and strongly oppose the deplatforming of her by the nut-left. Yes of course I believe experience matters, this includes that of Saad (like I said, I don't have an opinion about him because I have only seen one interview made by him). My point was to have it in mind the next time you see an alt-right discussion about "lived experience" where that experience does not fit the narrative (I am of course talking about real experience). Just keep it in mind.
Sorry for not fitting your ideological mold but you can't expect a person who is incapable of being rational to fit one consistently ;-).
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Vidiot
I do find it telling that the Left's "delegitimizing" of Trump rallies is very reminiscent of their dismissal of the Tea Party.
And we all know how that turned out.
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Spoletta
What we need is an unbiased news source that analyzes and fact checks both sides of the issues. Lets dissect the statements of each group, not cherry picking to prove any point in particular. If the actual statements of a group are presented in context, if there is actual physical proof (recordings, verified emails, legitimate poll results. etc.), then present them matter of factly.
The closest thing to that in the United States is PBS. They aren't perfect, but their news hour doesn't try to slant the news one way or the other. They try to represent both sides in discussions about politics, allowing each one to state their views. If an interviewee comes off looking bad, it's often due to statements that are easily disproved. Political commentary is provided by the superb Brooks and Shield, who, even though they may disagree, and readily admit that their views are opinions, present their arguments in a thoughtful, intelligent, and cordial manner that allows a lively but respectful debate. The viewer is left to their own conclusions.
The show is often claimed to be biased towards the left, but (and this is only my opinion!) in many cases, it's because the truth is hardly flattering to the right. Trump often complains about the press printing articles that include many more criticisms of his statements than of his opponents. If he makes 20 false statements compared to 2 or three by his rival, it's hardly unfair to point it out.
Anyway, It's wishful thinking that a perfect, unbiased news agency could exist. Probably most would ignore it because it wouldn't confirm many of their long held beliefs. But one could hope!