Supreme Court Rules in Favor of Baker Who Refused to Bake Cake for Gay Couple

by Simon 286 Replies latest social current

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  jws

  Simon wrote:

  Have gay activists targeted any muslim cake shops or black bakeries? If not, why not?

  Again with the gay activist stuff. From what I read, it was a couple from MA having a reception with friends in Denver. Not saying you're wrong, but what evidence is there that this was gay activists trying to provoke something? And not just a gay couple simply wanting a cake with no ulterior motive than having a cake at the reception?
  
  And also from what I read, the baker refused to make the cake before even discussing the design. So there apparently was no discussion yet about anything that would make the cake "gay". No groom/groom decoration, no phalluses, no "congratulations john and jim" (or whatever the names were). But you're also saying he would sell them a cake. I'm finding it hard to see the distinction. At that point, that's all they asked for and he refused.

  What would be the difference? What if they just wanted a fancy cake? And then used it for a gay ceremony? You're saying that was OK with him?

  And from what I understand, the couple was already married. So it wasn't for a wedding - that already happened. It was for a reception.
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  _Morpheus

  morph as blown away pointed out in his earlier circular reasoning filled comment there are groups that the law protects- homosexuals are one of them, porno lovers are not.

  Hmm... i think im begining to see the problem. Could, per chance, cite a specific law or statue that makes bei g homsexual “protected”?
  
  
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  John Free

  People regularly flout the law in such a manner but does that really mean we should be without law freedom of fade? The gay community go through hell even in tolerant societies- the law should be on their side as a model. Countries whose laws reflect the ‘consciences’ of the religiously intolerant are generally the most inhumane place to live.
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  dozy

  Interestingly in the UK , Peter Tatchell ( who is perhaps the best known gay activist in the UK , famous among other things for conducting a citizens arrest on Robert Mugabe ) has changed his mind and spoken out against these kind of cases.

  https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/01/gay-cake-row-i-changed-my-mind-ashers-bakery-freedom-of-conscience-religion
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  Simon

  Again with the gay activist stuff. From what I read, it was a couple from MA having a reception with friends in Denver. Not saying you're wrong, but what evidence is there that this was gay activists trying to provoke something? And not just a gay couple simply wanting a cake with no ulterior motive than having a cake at the reception?

  The fact that the baker was bombarded with harassment and prosecuted. That isn't what normal regular people do over such a trivial thing, they leave a negative review and go buy a cake elsewhere. This was orchestrated and planned and that fact that there seem to be so many of these gay-cake cases coming up reinforces it.
  

  And also from what I read, the baker refused to make the cake before even discussing the design. So there apparently was no discussion yet about anything that would make the cake "gay". No groom/groom decoration, no phalluses, no "congratulations john and jim" (or whatever the names were). But you're also saying he would sell them a cake. I'm finding it hard to see the distinction. At that point, that's all they asked for and he refused.

  The description makes no sense which makes me think something has been omitted to give a bias view of what happened (the media? surely not ...). You're saying he wouldn't provide a cake that wasn't in any way specific to being for a gay wedding and at the same time was happy to sell them a cake. Again, I think someone has put a spin on things intentionally to try and make it be about them being gay instead of the cake and message.

  What would be the difference? What if they just wanted a fancy cake? And then used it for a gay ceremony? You're saying that was OK with him?

  Well, it seems like he was happy to sell them a cake, so it wasn't like he was discriminating against them for being gay, just not willing to decorate a cake with something he found objectionable. Again, it's why I think the reporting has deliberately missed some important detail. Don't assume the media is independently reporting the facts, often they are part of the activist for certain causes.

  And from what I understand, the couple was already married. So it wasn't for a wedding - that already happened. It was for a reception.

  It was so they could target the white christian baker.

  The left isn't happy to have people disagree with them. Anyone who does has to be targeted, harassed and put out of business to act as an example against anyone else daring to stand-up for anything.

  This is why this case was so important. That kind of behavior shouldn't be allowed and shouldn't be rewarded.
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  Simon

  The gay community go through hell even in tolerant societies- the law should be on their side as a model. Countries whose laws reflect the ‘consciences’ of the religiously intolerant are generally the most inhumane place to live.

  Are you seriously suggesting that life in America as a gay person is 'hell' and 'inhumane'? Compared to what? Pakistan?

  Seems like the worse thing is that their choice of bakeries to buy gay-wedding themed cakes from is at the 98% level.

  Oh, the humanity ...
  
  
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  _Morpheus

  John, you didnt answer. Im looking for a specific law or statue that makes being homosexual “protected”.

  Let me help with my own example. Your wrong about pornographers not being protected. The supreme court has ruled on that several times and in different contexts, some of which may shock you.

  So again i ask.... why shouldnt a baker be forced to make a pornographic cake?
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  slimboyfat

  You seem confused. People are protected in law from discrimination on the basis of race, gender and sexuality. Racism and bigotry are not protected by law.

  That’s why it’s illegal for a business to refuse a mixed race couple.

  But not illegal for a business to refuse a racist.

  Obviously. For crying out loud.
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  ttdtt

  Discrimination is discrimination.

  Anyone who can't see this and the slippery slope that it leads to is either being ingenuous or has never opened a history book.

  How the f@uk is selling something to someone have anything to do with what their FAKE god feels about them?

  This is just Text Book Discrimination Masquerading as Religious Freedom.

  Same people who scream that somehow THEIR marriage is threatened if the gay couple down the street is allowed to marry.

  RELIGION is by nature DESTRUCTIVE and EVIL.
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  ttdtt

  And by the way SIMON. I will carry the label you so hate "Liberal" as a badge of honor!

  Just a little reminder of what LIBERALS have accomplished.

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