There is no 1900 year old faithful and discreet slave

by Longlivetherenegades 13 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Longlivetherenegades
    Longlivetherenegades

    Now that the long-expected Kingdom had become an established reality in heaven, surely its growing interests in the earth after 1919 would not be left in the hands of a novice organization of spiritual babes. And that proved to be true. It was the 1900-year-old “faithful and discreet slave,” the old Christian congregation, that was entrusted with this precious Kingdom service. Rich in its loyalty and integrity, long in its patient suffering of persecution, strong in its ancient faith in Jehovah’s precious promises, confident in the leadership of its invisible Lord, Jesus Christ, obedient in its centuries-old commission to be witnesses in the earth, finally cleansed by a fiery test by 1918, the matured “slave” as represented by a remnant now stood ready for new assignments of service................... Watchtower July 15,1960 page 436

    David Splane morning worship talk........

    A studious sister comes up to you after the meeting on Sunday and says, “Now I know that there have always been anointed ones on earth for the last 1900 years, but recently we said that there has not been a faithful and discreet slave providing spiritual food at the proper time during the last 1900 years. Now, what’s the thinking behind that? Why did we change our view on that?”

    While leaving that religious organization and the elders said why did I make such a decision. I told them, the religious organization of Jehovah's witnesses is filled with internal conflicts and external conflict that I don't want to be a partaker any longer. Those conflicts are killing it's members and killing people not part of their members. It is so easy to use this as simple basis for disassociating. When asked for evidence, their contradictory and conflicting doctrines over the past years and present ones is enough to buttress the point. They can hardly find room to maneuver regarding that. For example conflicting and contradictions regarding

    Alternative service

    Vaccination

    Disfellowshippping

    Blood doctrine

    Bestiality and adultery.

    The above teachings as captured in their own publications is enough to show evidence that internal and external conflicts abound in that religious organization and had resulted in loss of lives of its members and those not associated with them.

  • KalebOutWest
    KalebOutWest

    The above proves something very true and inarguably about Jehovah's Witnesses: they are an ad-hoc religion.

    They say and make up things as they go.

    That why there are no saints or real heroes of their religion. There is nothing to really fight for or standup for. Nothing is permanent.

    Imagine Joan of Arc fighting for a cause that, well, was not there, because it could not be pinned down. It changed or could change at any moment, any second. There would be no Joan of Arc!

    Superman: he fights for truth, justice and for--scratch that, we are changing our mind...we used to believe in that. Now it's accuracy, sensitivity, and having it your way. Wait! Scratch that too. We are changing that as well...

    There's really nothing to believe in but the leadership that tells you at every single moment what is new to believe in. Like the latest switch on "new light" and beards and slacks, and the missing August issue of the Watchtower magazine that (idiotically) has got everyone on "pins and needles" (but is probably just a means to get very high hits on their website to get people to come back every few days to keep checking when the August issue has been released or something).

    They have an audience held captive that can't and won't think for itself, used to the "ad-hoc system," addicted to constant change, nothing truly to believe in, that goes out to preach "join us," but then its members wonder why people won't join them...

    Why would anyone join you? There's nothing to believe in, you idiots! You keep changing things! Why would anyone join a system with constantly changing beliefs? That means there is nothing there!

    Totally and utterly brainless for the brain-dead!

  • NotFormer
    NotFormer

    "Now I know that there have always been anointed ones on earth for the last 1900 years, but recently we said that there has not been a faithful and discreet slave providing spiritual food at the proper time during the last 1900 years. Now, what’s the thinking behind that? Why did we change our view on that?"

    Because of the obvious question: so who was fulfilling that role before Russell, later 1919? "Jehovah has always had an organisation". What was that organisation before Russell? I've since been told that the correct position was: "Jehovah has always worked through an organisation" and now they're saying there wasn't one for two thousand years.

    So God has taken off two of the six thousand year days since creation and has been doing nothing. I thought that the millennium was meant to symbolise God's day off after the sixth day. Which backs up this declaration by KalebOutWest:

    "The above proves something very true and inarguably about Jehovah's Witnesses: they are an ad-hoc religion.

    "They say and make up things as they go...

    "Why would anyone join you? There's nothing to believe in, you idiots! You keep changing things! Why would anyone join a system with constantly changing beliefs? That means there is nothing there!"

  • NotFormer
    NotFormer

    "Now I know that there have always been anointed ones on earth for the last 1900 years..."

    BTW, I'm betting on a change of doctrine on the 144,000/FDS/annointed/Jesus' brothers thing. The way they've been spinning things lately, I reckon that eventually only the GB will be the representative of any of those classes (if there was any difference between them).

  • markweatherill
    markweatherill
    KalebOutWest
    KalebOutWest13 hours ago

    The above proves something very true and inarguably about Jehovah's Witnesses: they are an ad-hoc religion.

    They say and make up things as they go.

    You really articulated something important there! This would be why nobody can be reasoned into becoming a JW, and why so many are reasoning themselves out of it.

  • LongHairGal
    LongHairGal

    KALEB OUT WEST:

    Yes, I believe you are right and that ad hoc is a perfect way to describe the Jehovah’s Witness religion: they make things up as they go along to fit a particular situation.

    Their heyday was in the decades before 2000. People hoped against hope that the millennium would be ‘it’.

    The religion has lost its credibility, in my opinion. Nothing scholarly or deep. They pathetically try to entice people back. But, people would have to be out of their minds.. One of the first cracks in the armor years ago for me was when they had those calendars. One of them had a cover that looked like something from the days of PT Barnum (as in a sucker is born every minute). Was this a subtle hint to everybody?? I couldn’t even hang that thing up and I never got their calendars again!

    I think the jig is up for them. They had a good long run.. Maybe for some it was good while it lasted.. But, it’s good riddance as far as I am concerned.

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    Do the Society teach that the F&DS have been here all 1900 years?

    I thought the belief was that the illustration applied solely to the “ time of the end…”

  • peacefulpete
    peacefulpete

    I'm going to take the position that change is healthy for religions, they stay meaningful and practical. Religions that become artifacts of the past produce strange, out of touch followers. They risk becoming parodies of what they meant to people centuries before. They become obstacles rather than facilitators of progress. A fixture rather than a fixer.

    The changes in WT doctrine are not the problem, the fact that some of us think it is, suggests the changes have been too slow in coming and people were in love with a fixture, not a vibrant support community.

    The real problem with the WT is the extent and methods of control. The one meaningful change toward a healthy religion they could have made was not changed.

    Religion should inspire not dictate.

  • Longlivetherenegades
    Longlivetherenegades

    @ BluesBrothers

    It was the 1900-year-old “faithful and discreet slave,” the old Christian congregation, that was entrusted with this precious Kingdom service.

  • Rattigan350
    Rattigan350

    why does it matter whether there is or not?

    I think about what Tyrion said in Season 2 when he slapped Joffrey.

    "I slapped a king and my hand didn't fall off".

    So what if we don't obey them. We live and we die just like the past 6000 years. There is no punishment for that.

    We won't get resurrected? Since the dead are unconscious, they won't be looking to a resurrection anyway.

    So stop worrying about this Faithful slave.

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