Who are the A/As on the board?

by starfish422 87 Replies latest jw experiences

  • Faraon
    Faraon

    I believe the Jehovah's Witnesses are the right path to the truth.

    If it had not been for them I would not ever studied the bible with the intensity that I did. I would have never realized that no organized religion ever looks for the truth. and how stupid I was to believe in the mythical Jewish god of war. Now I sleep peacefuly knowing that I act lovingly and ethically and do what is right just because it is the right thing. Not because some men tell me this is right or wrong.

    I also do not believe in nationalism, sexism, or racism. I believe in helping others become better human beings through love, not for fear of punishment or because I want a reward.

  • donkey
    donkey

    I believe in the blood of Jesus although it has formed a stinky scab now - but I have faith.

  • DanTheMan
    DanTheMan

    My beliefs always seem to be in flux, I have a hard time taking a hard stance on this issue (which probably reveals a weakness of my character but oh well)

    I'm currently reading The Denial of Death by Ernest Becker, and I have found it to be one of the most penetrating and insightful books I have ever read. It is a summary book where he uses the ideas of many great thinkers (Soren Kierkegaard, Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, and Otto Rank) as a springboard to espouse his own synthesized viewpoints.

    A fair portion of the book is dedicated to examing Freud's ideas and personal character, and he does a splendid job of revealing the shortcomings in both. At one point he quotes from an author named Gregory Zilboorg who wrote a book called Psychoanalysis and Religion. Zilboorg was raised Russian Orthodox and converted to Catholicism later in life.

    Ever since man started his so-called "conquest of nature," he has tried to fancy himself the conqueror of the universe. In order to assure himself of the mastery of a conqueror, he grabbed the trophy (nature, universe). He had to feel that the Maker of the trophy was annihilated, or his own fantasied sovereignty over the universe would be endangered. It is the trend that is reflected in Freud's unwillingness to accept religious faith in its true meaning...It is no surprise, therefore, to find that in the field of human psychology a man, no matter how great--a man like Freud--had constantly before him the vision of a man who is always unhappy, helpless, anxious bitter, looking into nothingness with fright..."

    This quote, (while I don't know how much it communicates by itself) taken with the rest of the chapter on Freud, and the rest of the book for that matter, has me seriously reconsidering my agnosticism, as it seems to me like these two viewpoints (A/A) only offer despair.

  • think41self
    think41self

    Little Toe,

    Do your above comments about organized religion mean that you are no longer an ordained minister in one of those religions? Last time I heard, that was your "calling" in life, despite your obvious internal conflicts with religion and living the required lifestyle.

    Tracy

  • Swan
    Swan

    Faraon,

    If it had not been for them I would not ever studied the bible with the intensity that I did. I would have never realized that no organized religion ever looks for the truth. and how stupid I was to believe in the mythical Jewish god of war. Now I sleep peacefuly knowing that I act lovingly and ethically and do what is right just because it is the right thing. Not because some men tell me this is right or wrong. I also do not believe in nationalism, sexism, or racism. I believe in helping others become better human beings through love, not for fear of punishment or because I want a reward.

    WOW! I guess I believe the same thing, but never thought about how I got here being the result of being so spritually abused by the JWs. My uncle used to tell the story of a dumkopf who kept hitting himself in the head with a rubber mallet. Someone came by and asked him why he was doing it. "Because it feels so good when I stop!"

    Thank you for posting this. It gives me a lot to think about and ponder.

    Tammy

  • MegaDude
    MegaDude
    I believe the Jehovah's Witnesses are the right path to the truth.

    Any negative experience can be turned into a learning experience. It depends what you do with it. Maybe more importantly it depends what you are able to do with it. Just because you learned something positive from it doesn't mean Jehovah's Witnesses are a right path to the truth or anything else remotely positive. It was simply an experience that you used for a springboard in a certain direction in your life that is positive for you. By the same logic I could say, I believe murdering some people and going to prison taught me that killing was wrong. Murder and prison is the right path to the truth.

    Some people who take the path of becoming a Jehovah's Witnesses are so badly damaged by it they never adequately recover from its effects. The JWs are a path I would recommend everybody detour from, not go down and experience.

  • dmouse
    dmouse

    When I left the JWs I was a vehement atheist for many years. I?ve mellowed a bit since then and would describe myself as an agnostic. I think it?s arrogant to insist that you know one way or another. I just can?t take any religion seriously but spirituality fascinates me.

    Basically I want to believe in a God, sometimes I?m desperate to, but He?s having trouble reaching me. I really envy people who have a strong faith ? life is so much cosier when you?ve got an all-powerful friend who will eventually sort things out. I pray now and again, just to check, but all I get is static.

  • Gretchen956
    Gretchen956

    What used to bother me when reading the bible was how warlike, jealous and damning god was. The JW experience for me, in the long run (interspaced with positive experiences) was the same. Being a woman I was treated as less, I was always looked at with suspicion since I had "married out of the truth," I was surrounded by ignorance.. such as "you must have done or said something for your husband to abuse you." I got out of the religion and the marriage.

    I decided what I didn't believe in was this angry bearded white male god that was set up before me with all its dogmatism and gossip and conditional love. And at first I thought I was athiest too, then I leaned toward agnostism, and finally I decided I was way too spiritual for any of that. I read a book called the Chalice & the Blade, about Goddess worship and matriarchal society (not women above, but women as equal). Seems there is archeological evidence to support that this society was wiped off the face of the earth by the warlike patriarchal religions including your bible writers. Very interesting reading. Their symbols of devotion and worship were turned into objects of fear.

    So anyway, I guess I am a highly spiritual person, and lean very heavily towards the pagan. I feel at one with mother earth, she grounds me. Never have I felt so spiritual and serene as when I'm up in the mountains in the trees. I can't begin to describe it. Never felt that in any church including the Kingdom Hall.

    Gretchen ~namaste

  • jst2laws
    jst2laws

    Has anyone ever noticed that the only difference between

    A Theist (believer) and

    Atheist (non-believer)

    is the empty space between the "A" and the "T" ?

    Jst2laws

  • drwtsn32
    drwtsn32
    Linus Torvalds is God.

    LMAO....have you been standing too close to sens?

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