WTBTS Submissions to Royal Commission on abuse: The response document in FULL

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  • JWchange
    JWchange

    It is not obvious if someone has already put the responses and excuses to the findings of the Royal Commission, by Watchtower on this forum somewhere, Sorry if it is already posted.

    Click on the link below, and scroll down to 'Submissions' near bottom of page and you can download the full document.

    If this link doesn't work. go to case study 29 JWs and you will find it as described above.

    It is very bad that WTBTS are actually making excuses and even stating certain findings are beyond the scope of the inquiry.They should have said we will change procedures as of today. They didn't and it makes me very angry.

    http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.aspx

  • totallydisappointed
    totallydisappointed
    I'm not at all surprised. The moral values printed in the literature all look good and appear great on paper, but in reality they don't know the meaning.
  • Vidiot
    Vidiot

    All this obfuscation on the Org's part simply reinforces what I already suspect...

    ...that if they implemented the recommended measures and reforms needed to fix the problem, the repurcussions would be worse (from their POV) then if they refused.

  • DATA-DOG
    DATA-DOG

    He who covers over his transgression will not succeed..or...whatever...

    I have to ask myself, "How many Elders ( including higher-ups at HQ ) would be "unfit for duty" if the WTBTS were forced to clean house.?" Shouldn't the "one true religion" be the most open and honest?

    DD

  • AFRIKANMAN
    AFRIKANMAN

    We are never and will never be in error !

    For Example :

    11.61 Counsel Assisting’s suggested finding F57: [ie Angus Stewart]

    F57 It is the policy and practice of the Jehovah’s Witness organisation in Australia to not report allegations of child sexual abuse to the police or other authorities unless required by law to do so.

    There is no such policy and practice of Jehovah’s Witnesses: see the reasons given in paragraphs 9.313 to 9.318.

    11.70 Counsel Assisting’s suggested finding F66:

    F66 The documented practice of the Jehovah’s Witness organisation of not reporting child sexual abuse to the authorities undermines the efficacy of the working with children check system, a system to which the organisation says it subscribes and with which it says it complies.


    • For the reasons given in paragraph 9.355, this suggested finding is too broadly stated and should not be made in the terms expressed.

    F67 The practices and procedures of the Jehovah’s Witness organisation for the prevention of child sexual abuse, and in particular for the management of the risk of an abuser reoffending, do not take account of the actual risk of an offender reoffending and accordingly place children in the organisation at significant risk of sexual abuse.

    For the reasons in paragraphs 9.358 to 9.362, this suggested finding ought to be disregarded.

    11.73 Counsel Assisting’s suggested finding F69:

    F69 Members of the Jehovah’s Witness organisation who no longer want to be subject to the organisation’s rules and discipline have no alternative than to leave the organisation which requires that they disassociate from it.

    For the reasons provided in paragraphs 9.367 to 9.369, the finding should read:

    A Jehovah’s Witness who no longer wants to be subject to the organisation’s rules and discipline may simply stop associating with the congregation without formally disassociating from the faith. !!!

    11.81 Counsel Assisting’s suggested finding F72:

    F72 Dr Applewhite’s report contains a number of factual errors with regard to her documenting of the relevant practices and procedures of the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

    The suggested finding should read as follows, based on the reasons given in paragraphs 9.398 to 9.399:

    Dr Applewhite’s report contains a small number of inconsequential factual errors with regard to her documenting of the relevant practices and procedures of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

    11.82 Counsel Assisting’s suggested finding F73:

    F73 Dr Applewhite’s report is therefore rejected.

    For the reasons provided in paragraphs 9.400 to 9.401, the finding should read:

    Dr Applewhite’s report is therefore accepted.

    11.83 Counsel Assisting’s suggested finding F74:

    F74 Dr Applewhite accepted the following components to current standards of best practice in relation to raising and responding to allegations of child sexual abuse within religious organisations, namely that religious organisations should have:

    a) a process for reporting allegations of child sexual abuse which is survivor focussed and designed to ensure that the child or adult survivor feels able to come forward and be comfortable in reporting the allegation

    b) a process for reporting allegations of child sexual abuse that does not require a survivor to confront the alleged perpetrator of their abuse or be in the same room as the alleged perpetrator without support

    c) a system for preventing perpetrators of child sexual abuse from being put back in a position of trust with children

    d) an ability to take childsafe action in order to remove children from imminent danger, or a relationship with other authorities that have that ability, and

    e) strong and cooperative relationships with child protection authorities and with criminal justice authorities

    These suggested findings should not be made since they do not relate to the policies and practices of Jehovah’s Witnesses, as explained in paragraphs 9.403 to 9.410.

    11.84 Counsel Assisting’s suggested finding F75:

    F75 The opinion expressed by Dr Applewhite in oral evidence that requiring a survivor of child sexual abuse to present her testimony before elders and her abuser would not meet the relevant standard is accepted.

    For the reasons outlined in paragraphs 9.411 to 9.413, this suggested finding should not be made since it has no direct relevance to the current policies and practices of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

    Even though she was the JW Expert Wetnose !

    Obtuse / bold / Presumptious / Self-Assuming /haughty / Lovers of money ......... / not open to any agreement / having a form of Godly devotion ................

    I HATE THEM EVEN MORE NOW - GOD HELP ANY DUB WHO GETS IN MY FACE FROM NOW ON ............



  • Coded Logic
    Coded Logic

    OMG, does the WT think this is a joke? Do they think playing a pedantic game of tit for tat is going to get them anywhere with this commission? The hammer is about to come down on them. And their failure to address the issues of the ARC are going to leave them wide open to class action lawsuits and the media pointing out that they deliberately refused to protect children from child abusers.

    I am so ashamed of them. Their pride and self righteousness has clouded their judgment and left them morally bankrupt.

  • Anakin
    Anakin

    Hey, I am new here, and I like the post you made about informating us about the RC , submissions, and that of the Watch Tower..

    I don't know if the Watch Tower is making a smart move trough his laywers, to try to make a point , that this inquiry has gone behind his scope.. It was better for them if they admitted that mistakes where made in the past, and now try to work on their policies, so that children could be protected, for predators in the JW organisation..

  • Mephis
    Mephis

    Agree with that Coded Logic. They are so willfully blind to what they're being told. Typical example, Angus Stewart's recommendations first.

    Available findings on the Jehovah’s Witness organisation’s policy on reporting
    F57 It is the policy and practice of the Jehovah’s Witness organisation in Australia to not report allegations of child sexual abuse to the police or other authorities unless required by law to do so.
    F58 The basis for this policy is said to be respect for the ‘right’ of the victim to herself decide whether to make a complaint to the authorities.
    F59 That basis has no justification where the victim is still a minor at the time that the abuse comes to the attention of the organisation, or where there are others who may still be at risk at the hands of the alleged abuser.
    F60 Since the organisation cannot remove an alleged abuser from the family or take other positive steps to safeguard children in the family from continuing risk, the organisation should have a policy to report all allegations of child sexual abuse to the authorities unless an adult victim specifically requests that a report not be made and there is no appreciable risk of children being abused.

    What they think it should say.

    F.58 Jehovah’s Witnesses respect the right of a survivor or victim of abuse (or their parent or guardian) to decide for him or herself whether or not to report the abuse to the authorities.
    F.60 The Scripturally-based beliefs and practices of Jehovah’s Witnesses require that they obey the laws pertaining to child abuse. In jurisdictions that require it, they obey laws requiring the reporting of such allegations to the authorities. Elders of Jehovah’s Witnesses will obey any newly enacted laws requiring ministers of religion to report allegations of child abuse.

    Gives the lie to Lett's broadcast statement:

    If anybody takes action against someone who would threaten our young ones, and takes action to protect our young ones, it's Jehovah's organisation.

    No. No, it really isn't Jehovah's organisation doing what it should to protect children.

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot

    Data-Dog - "How many Elders (including higher-ups at HQ) would be 'unfit for duty' if the WTBTS were forced to clean house?"

    This has gotta be the reason they were willing to refuse the request for relevent evidence - and thusly lose the Campos case - last year.

  • done4good
    done4good

    Vidiot - All this obfuscation on the Org's part simply reinforces what I already suspect...

    ...that if they implemented the recommended measures and reforms needed to fix the problem, the repurcussions would be worse (from their POV) then if they refused.


    ^^^^This.

    They cannot make the necessary reforms without seriously affecting their system negatively, from their perspective. I have stated more than once on this forum that any change to how they handle judicial matters is a slippery slope, (for them), and will lead to the entire process falling apart. If that happens, a key control mechanism is removed, and that will have repercussions they cannot live with.

    d4g

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