Comments You Will Not Hear At The 10-19-03 WT Study

by blondie 22 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • blondie
    blondie

    xjw_b12, how much time? Hmmmmm, it depends.

    I read the article initially when I get it from my source, another poster on JWD.

    I highlight or mark in red what initially comes to mind, comments, articles I remember right away, etc. I look for buzz words "true Christians" "everlasting life" "soon" "near" etc. I read the intro and conclusion first to get an idea of the goal or general drift.

    I do have an outline that I pop everything into. Then about a week before after the info has marinated, I finish it up. It takes about an hour and 1/2. The hardest part is the actual cut and paste and marking quotes. I have a fairly good memory and have remembered points from more than 30 years ago and some just 2 years ago. The longer I am out, not attending, my reviews will change and perhaps end if I see I don't have much new to add. But based on everyone's comments newly gone or gone for 30 years, their comments are right on the mark and timely.

    Blondie

  • MacHislopp
    MacHislopp

    Hello Blondie,

    thanks again for your excellent weekly review of

    the study's article .

    Just another brilliant analysis . Very factual and logic.

    Here below, imho, two ?shots, ...surely among your

    best ones !

    *1 ?Then why not go directly to the source, medical journals, medical websites on the Internet, your own physician? Why filter it through the WTS?

    *2 ?Materialism is rampant. JWs are spending too much on personal wants and not contributing to the WTS. After all, how are they going to pay for the $50 million expansion project in Wallkill?

    Concerning the quote, please allow me to add the following :

    The quote , ' One scholar noted: "The future of reality is seldom as bad as the future of our fears."

    comes from this web page: http://www.applebychurch.ca/worry.htm

    Appleby United Church

    4407 Spruce Avenue, Burlington, Ontario L7L 1L9

    Phone: 905-637-2942 Fax: 905-637-0799

    Email: [email protected]

    with this information also:

    http://www.applebychurch.ca/about_appleby.htm

    HOW TO FIND US
    We are located at the corner of Spruce Avenue and Henderson Road,
    in the southeast part of Burlington.
    From out of town, follow the QEW to Appleby Line.
    Go south on Appleby Line past New Street
    to the stoplights at Spruce Avenue
    (you are now in a very residential area).
    Turn right on Spruce Avenue, and go about 3 blocks,
    until you see the Church on the right.
    To get to the parking lot, turn right on Henderson Road, and right into the lot.

    (A map will soon be available.)

    and also this material:

    from http://www.applebychurch.ca/Worship.htm

    Christian Meditation, also known as contemplative or centring prayer, is prayer beyond words, thoughts and images. It involves coming to a stillness of body, mind and spirit. When we meditate we are not thinking about or imagining God at all. Instead, we seek to do something much greater - we seek simply to be with God, with Jesus, with the Holy Spirit. In short, meditation is concerned not with thinking but with being. By meditating, we allow God's mysterious and silent presence within us to become the only Reality which gives meaning, shape and purpose to everything we do, everything we are. As Meister Eckhart put it: "All things come to taste of God."
    What is it that makes a person want to meditate? I'm sure there are as many reasons as there are people who begin to meditate. Speaking for myself, I was beginning to feel that my too-infrequent periods of prayer were becoming too formalize, too needy, too "head-centred". I was looking to put some life into my relationship with the Creator God, to experience the fire of Divine Love - to attain a more "heart-centred" prayer life. And, to borrow a phrase from our Buddhist brothers and sisters: "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear." In July of 1997, I attended a 3-day silent retreat/workshop that introduced me to the practice of meditating in the Christian tradition. I'd found the "heart-centred", disciplined prayer life for which I'd been looking. I'd come home!
    When we meditate, we abandon all selfish motivation and attachment in our spiritual pilgrimage as a way to that poverty of spirit of which Jesus spoke - the first beatitude and precondition of true happiness. Out of that silence and stillness when we turn away from ourselves and towards God, comes the Life of the Spirit where we are transformed into Love. As Christians, we meditate in order to open ourselves to the birth of Christ within our hearts.
    Why, then should I meditate? Because, by doing so, God is left to work unimpeded deep within my soul. Because, to do so, I surrender myself completely to the prompting of the Spirit, to the love that Jesus and the Father have for me. By meditating on a daily basis, I am more and more able to see how the fabric of the ordinary is interwoven with the fabric of the Eternal Love of God. But, as John Main reminds us, we can become intoxicated by words - the experience itself will teach us more about the "why" of meditation.

    Kevin McNamara, Leader

    Our Christian Meditation group is ecumenical and practices an open door hospitality, welcoming anyone who comes sincerely seeking silence and a deeper spiritual path.

    Just for the sake of clarity ...here below the full passage:

    Matthew 6: 34 So do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will bring worries of its own. Today's trouble is enough for today.

    These words of Jesus have troubled many Christians throughout the ages. Is he advocating shiftless, thriftless, reckless, thoughtless, improvident attitudes toward life? Would he sneer at prudent foresight, which most of us practice?

    Not at all. What Jesus is actually condemning in this passage about the "birds of the air and the lilies of the field" is care-worn, anxious worry which takes all the joy out of life and mixes up all our priorities. Jesus is imploring us not to let anxious worry about the future replace prudent foresight.

    There is a difference, although sometimes hard to see, between worry and genuine concern. The main difference is that worry immobilizes, but concern moves you to action. Planning for tomorrow is time well spent. Worrying about tomorrow - straining to see a future which you cannot see; and seeking to find absolute security in things stored up and accumulated against the future - is time wasted.

    Firstly, worry cannot affect the past, for the past is over and done with.

    As

    Omar Khyyam said in The Rubiyat:

    The moving finger writes, and having writ,

    Moves on; nor all the piety nor wit

    Shall lure it back to cancel half a line,

    Nor all thy tears wash out a word of it

    Equally, worry about the future is a useless and wasted effort. The future of reality is seldom as bad as the future of our fears. Many of us worry ourselves into paralysis over things that never happen.

    What Jesus is actually advocating in this passage is
    a combination of prudence and foresightwith serenity and trust.

    The best, and only real security, in a person's life is the knowledge
    that she will be able to face with serenity and confidenceany unexpected trial that may confront her during the course of her life.

    Careful planning is thinking ahead about goals, steps and schedules, and trusting in God's guidance and companionship. When well done, planning can help alleviate worry. Worriers, by contrast, are consumed by fear, and find it difficult to trust God. They let their plans interfere with their relationship with God.

    Don't let worries about tomorrow affect your relationship with God today!

    (P.S. In red the part of the quote used by the WTBS Inc. in the Watchtower article)

    Thanks again?now you really can relax and have a nice and

    refreshing drink?from the best!

    Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

  • blondie
    blondie

    Hi, JC, thanks for posting that site. My review was long enough so I just put in the URL. It has always amazed me how from the platform and in the publications, people are told to live a simple life. Usually, the brother from the platform is the one that just built a new house and bought a new car, but of course, it doesn't interfere with his spiritual life, right!

    It is a case of do as we say not as we do, the Pharisaical mantra.

    Blondie

  • blondie
    blondie

    So do you meeting attenders have out your highlihgters? Oh, perhaps you are out in field service...my condolences.

    Blondie

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    I think I found my first typo. Paragraph 6, Matthew 6:22 is referenced. I think they meant Matthew 6:20.

    Yes, a lot of emphasis on showing, and proving trust. A good witness shows trust by reading publications and following the elder?s advice. I figure paragraph 18 would be handy for those suing the watchtower, to show that elders are culpable for bad advice.

    Psalm 41 is quoted selectively for the ill. Reading the whole thing, I could understand why. How many times has an XJW who is down, or even a sick Witness who is no longer able to keep up the treadmill of service responsibilities and meeting attendance, quoted David?

    Psalm 41 NLT

    Oh, the joys of those who are kind to the poor.
    The LORD rescues them in times of trouble.
    The LORD protects them
    and keeps them alive.

    He gives them prosperity
    and rescues them from their enemies.
    The LORD nurses them when they are sick
    and eases their pain and discomfort.

    "O LORD," I prayed, "have mercy on me.
    Heal me, for I have sinned against you." But my enemies say nothing but evil about me.
    "How soon will he die and be forgotten?" they ask.
    They visit me as if they are my friends,
    but all the while they gather gossip,
    and when they leave, they spread it everywhere.

    All who hate me whisper about me,
    imagining the worst for me.
    "Whatever he has, it is fatal," they say.
    "He will never get out of that bed!"

    Even my best friend, the one I trusted completely,
    the one who shared my food,
    has turned against me.

    LORD, have mercy on me.
    Make me well again, so I can pay them back!

  • invictus
    invictus

    blondie,

    thank you very much for such detailed wt study. imagine being able to give comments like this during sunday meeting?!

    I was always confused with their missrepresentation of James 2:26 - faith without works dead- wt always applies that when emphasizing obedience to rules and regulations imposed and expected to be followed by faithfull sheep and almost never for what it really applies to - helping others from the heart.

    with regard comment that if in financial problems we should scale down and accept smaller acommodations, I can really relate - when our family experienced hardships and on top of that we lived of one income,with 3 kids in small two bdr apartment, elder who just bought his second house told us how he envy us for living such a nice, simple life and how we are truly blessed to be able to give more in jehovah`s service.yeah right.in that time we didn`t know where our next meal is coming from.

    anyway that is just one of the reasons why we are no longer jws - their hypocracy and lack of understanding and love.

    thank you again.

    invictus

  • wannaexit
    wannaexit

    Just poured myself a nice bailey. Cheers!!

  • elamona
    elamona

    blondie I love your concise dissection of the WT literature. Have enjoyed them immensely since finding this site. Please continue to do this. I hope you don't mind that I download and put on a CD with my other anti-JW stuff. I download without any modifications so that you will continue to receive the proper credit for your work and others can see the great work that you are doing. Thanks again.

  • blondie
    blondie

    Jgnat,

    Psalm 41 always had meaning for me. Gossip is such a fixture in the JW congregations. Many a truly loving person has been labeled out of jealousy by the so-called spiritual ones.

    Doesn?t this sound like a shepherding call?

    They visit me as if they are my friends,
    but all the while they gather gossip,
    and when they leave, they spread it everywhere.

    And doesn?t the following sound like what people discover when they fade (become inactive) or are DF?d or DA themselves?

    Even my best friend, the one I trusted completely,
    the one who shared my food,
    has turned against me.

    David had his son Absalom turn against him and try to take the kingship.

    David?s personal adviser Ahithophel traitorously cast in his lot with Absalom.

    As to Matthew 6:22

    The lamp of the body is the eye. If, then, your eye is simple, your whole body will be bright

    It was being used to reference the use of the word "simplify" in the previous sentence. The WT has built whole study articles about this concept in this scripture. Therefore, the concept of simplification used to justify strange adjustments in WT policy.

    For example, is it possible to simplify our life, perhaps moving to a smaller dwelling or eliminating unnecessary material possessions?

    w86 5/1 p. 10 Is Your Eye "Simple"?

    w93 12/15 p. 25 Keeping Our Eye "Simple" in Kingdom Work

    w98 1/15 p. 28 Strengthening Our Faith in God?s Word

    The morning program concluded with the drama "Keep Your Eye Simple." This realistic dramatization encouraged us to examine our attitude regarding material pursuits. No matter where we live, if we want our life to be free of anxiety, we must follow Jesus? counsel to keep our eye simple, clearly focused on the Kingdom of God.?Matthew 6:22.

    w01 3/1 p. 5 How to Find Real Happiness/Keep Your Life Simple

    w01 10/15 p. 25 Safeguard Your Heart/Is Our Eye Simple?

    Hello, Invictus, and welcome to the board if I have missed you,

    I can really relate - when our family experienced hardships and on top of that we lived of one income,with 3 kids in small two bdr apartment, elder who just bought his second house told us how he envy us for living such a nice, simple life and how we are truly blessed to be able to give more in jehovah`s service.yeah right.in that time we didn`t know where our next meal is coming from.

    Yes, he was definitely not listening to James 2:15-16 (NWT)

    If a brother or a sister is in a naked state and lacking the food sufficient for the day, yet a certain one of YOU says to them: "Go in peace, keep warm and well fed," but YOU do not give them the necessities for [their] body, of what benefit is it?

    Or as the CEV puts it:

    If you know someone who doesn't have any clothes or food, you shouldn't just say, "I hope all goes well for you. I hope you will be warm and have plenty to eat." What good is it to say this, unless you do something to help?

    I agree that faith comes first and love naturally moves a person to action. It reminds me how JWs say they don?t have to wait to give gifts on Christmas or birthdays, they can give gifts all year round, but based on a thread here on JWD, few ever put that into action, giving gifts at other times for no reason other than love for the individual.

    Wannaexit , you deserve two for reading the review. It has been tough lately. I can?t believe I was ever a "true believer" but I was.
    Just poured myself a nice bailey. Cheers!!

    Hi elamona, and welcome,

    I hope you don't mind that I download and put on a CD with my other anti-JW stuff. I download without any modifications so that you will continue to receive the proper credit for your work and others can see the great work that you are doing.

    I guess I can?t really stop anyone and I appreciate your letting me know. It is not like anything we post here is not open to public view. It would be good to direct them to this DB because there is a wealth of information here. For the timid JW, I find the quotes on this site to be helpful.

    http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com/default.htm

    My motto is "Hang them by their own words."

    So to those getting dressed to attend this morning or later this afternoon, may your inner spirituality be protected.

    Blondie
  • DanTheMan
    DanTheMan

    To reduce anxiety, it may be wise to make some changes. For example, is it possible to simplify our life, perhaps moving to a smaller dwelling or eliminating unnecessary material possessions ?-Matthew 6:22.

    Is the WTS moving to a smaller dwelling?

    LOL!

    Jesus knew that imperfect humans are naturally concerned about obtaining basic necessities. How, though, can we "stop being anxious" about such things? "Keep on. seeking first the kingdom," said Jesus . No matter what problems we encounter, we must continue giving Jehovah's worship priority in life.

    "Jehovah's Worship" - 20-30 hours per week spent on WTS sanctioned activities, a good part of which includes reading guilt-inducing crap like this article.

    Humbly heeding the Bible's advice

    Translation - Humbly heeding our endless nagging

    8/8/91 p. 6 Out Of a Job—What Are the Solutions? ***

    1. Do Not Panic

    Rather than flooding the mind with worst-case scenarios, calmly work at productive solutions.

    Hmmm....seems to me that reading WT literature regularly only inclines one towards a "worst-case scenario" mindset

    7. Keep Your Self-Esteem

    You imperfect, slave to sin, helpless-without-our-constant-guidance schlep

    Jehovah feels for sick ones among his people.

    His people might forget about you pretty quickly though.

    Above all, we would want to ask that Jehovah sustain us, giving us the strength to keep faithful to him and not lose our balance, no matter what may happen. (Philippians 4:13)

    "lose our balance" - engage in deep reflection about the meaning of our life and whether or not all the time spent on the WTS treadmill was time well spent
    If we keep our integrity
    , the Great Rewarder will give us an eternity of perfect life and health.-Hebrews 11:6.

    Yes, you can earn all this and more, just keep doing what we say without question

    For instance, knowing that the Bible condemns the "practice of spiritism," we would avoid any diagnostic or therapeutic procedure that involves spiritism.

    The most firm believers in voodoo medicine I have ever encountered were JW's. The WTS obviously knows this, this being a "counsel point" from time to time that doesn't seem to be hitting its mark. Perhaps they need to raise "spiritistic medicine" to the level of reproof or even DF.

    After directing JWs to them as guides, the WTS makes this disclaimer.
    Footnote These Bible-based journals do not endorse particular medical treatment, recognizing that this is a matter for personal decision. Rather, articles that discuss specific illnesses or disorders are intended to inform readers of the facts as they are currently known.

    Another C-Y-A footnote, courtesy of WT legal.

    Are we not grateful for the trustworthy guidance Jehovah provides through his organization?

    *raises hand, takes microphone* "Yes, I am not grateful for this endless pestering and seeking to influence every !@#$ decision I make!!!!"

    Stay in touch with others.
    Medical studies show that having social contacts is good for your health.

    But when weeks go by without a visit from the friends, make sure you "keep your integrity" by declining visits from DF'd relatives.

    Never forget that Satan knows that his time is short. (yes the end is near!) (Revelation 12:12) He wants to use the futility of life in this world to discourage us and make us give up.

    Satan, the most unverifiable, convenient, and effective scapegoat ever concocted.

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