Witnesses after Covid shut down are increasing their calls around my neighborhood

by wozza 13 Replies latest jw friends

  • wozza
    wozza

    Hi all , I just had another call by a an elderly JW ,let's call him Ian.

    Only about 3 months ago I had a young JW call and trying to talk to him I had to tone it down a bit because he did'nt seem so theocratically bright as he only offered a tract and not much else , and I've had others call since Covid.

    So it seems around here they are making regular calls but not like back in the day when I used to auxillary pioneer where we would go over this turf every 1 to 3 weeks in the 80's.

    But back to my caller Ian ,on his own , but out with a group of JW's he was quick to get around the pleasantries and and so I interrupted him tactfully to slow him down. Started with a bit of my history easing into the fact that I had my first contact with Jw's with my soon to be mother-in -law who was an invalided JW ,we had many good talks about her beliefs in the early 70's.

    At this point he jumps in and wants to know if I would want a study again because I told him that I once did a study with JW's back. I carefully steered him into telling me about those days ,what was he was doing back then. He tells me he was a witness back then and had in this context been around Africa and other places then so I assumed he was a missionary or pioneer at one time.

    But the he jumped back with would I want a study and why I had given up the study. Trying to keep it simple I explained I had done a study back then using the blue truth book ,he said he studied the same book so we had something in common.

    But again he tried to control the conversation on his terms about a study but i went back to that time and reminded him it was a time that JW's were excited about 1975. His eyes glazed over and then partially closed them and went on the attack with the lie that was when some people said that was was what witnesses were teaching but we were'nt !

    Oh I said my MIL said nobody knows the day or the hour ,but my study conductor who was an elder believed it look like armmaggedon would be october 1975. Back came that attack look in his eyes and I said to him I was there and at least some JW's believed that. This was confirmed years later because I became a JW early 1980's and spoke to many who told me of their selling of cars and properties to go pioneering ,some borrowing money because they thought they won't have to pay it back etc because in 1975 was coming.

    Ian repeated he did'nt believe that back then and ignored the fact that alot of JW"S believed in 1975 . I said you asked me why I stopped studying back then and here is why, MIL did'nt believe it but my study conductor did so I saw no unity of belief back then pre 75. I could see his frustration so I moved on quickly to say I did become a JW years later became a ministerial servant ,very active ministry brought many with my wife into the JW fold - by this time his eyes were opening, along the way I saw and experienced alot of hypocrisy and challenged the elders many times and never got satisfying answers.

    Then I said said my pioneer wife cheated on me and left the young children with me to raise. By this time he was looking to get out of there, but I went on that I re married a witness woman and found out on our wedding night or there abouts that she had been molested over years by her elder father and we spent 15 years trying to get the Watchtower to handle this which they never did. It went to civil court but my wife could not cope any more and withdrew the case from the courts as none of her sisters would back her up, and they only admitted to being abused to here years after the court case was dropped .

    Of course "poor" Ian was looking for a get away he was lucky because his wife was out too and rang him. At that point it dawned on me how things had changed over the years when witnessing, I remember going to the doors carrying a big leather bag with a bible ,tracts ,magazines etc and here is Ian with a mobile phone in one hand answering calls at my door and a tablet in the other hand ,something the society condemned years ago!

    I closed with telling him I can't study with him because of what I have seen and at that I found in the Hebrew scriptures a reason that the JW 2 witness rule is utter crap and showed this on this forum when the Australian Royal Commission on child abuse started it used that reasoning from the Hebrew scriptures to show the Watchtower reps they were wrong on this issue.

    Well that did it for Ian ,I said I know where the kingdom hall ,I helped build it brick by brick but i won't belong to an organization that corrupt.

    Looking forward to seeing the next witness at my home, but they suffer in their cognitive dissonance when they come.

    I will soon do another topic on how the WT ignores the truth in the bible later .

  • joey jojo
    joey jojo
    Yep, they love it when it's on their terms but can't handle a normal, honest conversation.
  • LongHairGal
    LongHairGal

    WOZZA:

    You sure gave the JW ‘Ian’ more than he bargained for.

    I guess the old days of JW-dom are long gone. No more attempts to be a Bible scholar. Just abbreviated presentations with revisionist history.. Surprised that an ‘elderly’ JW would be so ignorant about 1975.. Too bad that once the householder starts sounding too intelligent or God-forbid a former JW like you, the JW wants to flee.

    I came into the religion after the 1975 thing, so I wasn’t there. But, I heard enough about it and read a lot about it.. The religion probably wishes for the day when there won’t be any more live witnesses to the event (or non-event) still around - so they can lie some more and totally pretend it didn’t happen.

    I am glad you unloaded even more of the religion’s nonsense on him. He probably couldn’t handle it. I don’t think he will be coming back to your house anytime soon. Maybe somebody else will - and never mind about their cognitive dissonance. They are living a lie and you are just pointing it out like the story ‘The Emperor’s New Clothes’.

  • Biahi
    Biahi

    You did great! And, I. And, I’m certain you will be put on the ‘do not call’ list.

  • ThomasMore
    ThomasMore

    Wozza, if I was still in, you would be on my "CALL LIST". Your facts are refreshing to hear!!!

  • Balaamsass2
    Balaamsass2

    Great post. I can't wait to read more in the future as JWs slowly AWAKE! from COVID slumber. :)

    Some years ago we got some of the old books with damming verses highlighted ready to find in the living room bookcase. No one ever came when we were ready.

    Over the past 10 years, a few visiting C.O.s accompanied by two Elders arrived at the door unannounced and unexpected. We were unprepared, and chose not to answer. :)

    Recently 3rd Gen spoke with a JW sister when she was out front gardening. It will be interesting to see if JWs arrive again, another CO with 2 Elders, or... if we became a "do not call".

    Usually we don't answer the door. We sleep in whenever possible, and don't like entertaining unexpected salespeople, beggars, poll takers, politicians, JWs, Mormons, and riff-raff. (neighbors and friends email, Fb, Next-door pm, or call before visiting).

    I look back at all those poor householders who opened their doors and tried to be civil with me for 50+ years and feel like....well... an ass.

  • Rivergang
    Rivergang

    They have not been too active around where I live (in SE Queensland). It is so long ago since any of them called at my door that I can barely remember it. Their only sign of activity since the pandemic has been the apathy literature cart, which was operating for just one single day the other week. In fact, we now see more of the LDS than the JWs.

  • Beth Sarim
    Beth Sarim

    These ""apathy"" carts,, just the way the Borg reinvents itself.

  • blondie
    blondie

    Beth Sarim, "apathy" carts so right! No pictures of bored jws online I can find. Does someone out there have one?

  • wozza
    wozza

    Thanks all for your responses ,each time they call I try to get them to think about their beliefs but either they don't read the DNC list or they just ignore it now because they keep coming back for more .

    Rivergang - I used to live there on the Sunshine Coast for 8 years and have given some of my experiences on here about what went on in the congos suicide ,child molestation etc ,its the same where one seems to go in JW lala land.

    I have not seen any apathy carts either Beth Sarim but they seem to be making an effort in door to door work ,but they don't seem as energetic as we used to be years ago and just seem to want to hit and run and they live in their delusions more now.

    I don't try to be rude to them but I don't hold back from pointing out their wrong ,with "Ian" ,since he was an old timer ,I tried to reason with him on how the WTS used to ban organ transplants trying to say it was cannibalism ,but then later allowed transplants but he said he never recalled that being the case -apalling! I then asked him how he thought the JW's who lost loved ones over this would feel ,he ignored me and looked down.

    As I said to the elder I last went on field service with about20 years ago "my conscience does not allow me to do this anymore" and I stopped going to meetings shortly after.

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