by riz 16 Replies latest jw friends
Hi there, Cliff.
Nice to have you with us. I've noticed on a few threads you've been asking if anyone here is a JW.
I think you will find that you will get better results if you ask specific questions. Don't be shy. Ask away.
rizzy
If at first you don't succeed, skydiving should not be your sport of choice.
Thanks. I am a bit leery of exposing my past history with the JWs. If you were a JW, I would just ask one thing: What has Jesus done about the false prophecies by the WTB&TS since He has been directing it since 1914?
I was told I had to accept that the WTS was God's "Faithful Servant" on earth. Why should I have to "wait till the light gets brighter," and "it comes out in the Watchtower?" I have told many JWs (and Brooklyn) as did Ray Franz, that 1975 was incorrect. They said it didn't matter; I had to wait for the WT to correct this!
Any JWs want to take this?
Cliff,
Don't worry about 1975. Worry about your salvation.
Fred, How can I get Salvation if I don't know about the real God who cursed, tortured and murdered even little babies and most of creation, and will torture all those who do not believe forever in Hellfire?
Is this what you meant?
Hi there, Cliff.
We all understand your apprehension about exposing your JW history here. It took a lot of us months of lurking to finally come out and tell our stories. It is therapeutic when you finally decide to, though.
I was a witness for the first 21 years of my life. I've been out for five. However, I will try to answer your questions in an unbiased manner.
What has Jesus done about the false prophecies by the WTB&TS since He has been directing it since 1914?
Witness Explanation:
"What false prophecies?" Or, if you pin down a specific false prophecy and question them on it,
"That wasn't a false prophecy. That was 'old light.'
In Reality: Witnesses are taught to believe that Jesus has been directing the WT since 1914. In my opinion, the presumptiousness, haughtiness, lack of love, etc., shown by the GB is proof to me that Jesus doesn't have anything to do with them.
Why should I have to "wait till the light gets brighter," and "it comes out in the Watchtower?"
That's standard procedure to buy time. If they admitted they were wrong in so many areas, they wouldn't have a religion left. If people actually knew they were pulling things out of their ass, everyone would bail.
I realize you are wanting to hear the 'active' JW's try to explain these things. To that, I say 'Good Luck.'
Here, the replies you will most likely get are from Fred and You Know. If you're lucky, StillinTruth will throw in his two cents. Who knows if these guys are really witnesses. But if they are for real, they are a good example of the mental prowess that you are up against.
Again, welcome. And who knows? Perhaps a genuine dub will stick their neck out and take a stab at your questions.
rizzy
If at first you don't succeed, skydiving should not be your sport of choice.
Cliff,
If you can find a better God than Jehovah, then show me.
"I realize you are wanting to hear the 'active' JW's try to explain these things. To that, I say 'Good Luck.'
Here, the replies you will most likely get are from Fred and You Know. If you're lucky, StillinTruth will throw in his two cents. Who knows if these guys are really witnesses. But if they are for real, they are a good example of the mental prowess that you are up against.
Again, welcome. And who knows? Perhaps a genuine dub will stick their neck out and take a stab at your questions."
rizzy
Fredhall
Cliff,
If you can find a better God than Jehovah, then show me."
What does Jehovah have to do with the Watchtower Org? Didn't you tell me that Christ/Jesus/Michael came back in 1914 and is now (as always) directing the WT?
Again, what DOES Jesus/Jehovah have to do with the WTB&TS?
Cliff,
What do you have to do with the Watchtower org? Why are you going against Christ brothers. And why are you going against Jesus my king?
Cliff,
I am a Real "J" "W".
Rizzy can vouch for me.
Pay NO ATTention to Fredhall or YouKnow or StillInTruth...
as they are VERY Untheokratic.
Riz and I have a combined 41 YEAR in the "Truth", and I still associate with her even though I am a "J" "W"...
so if the two of us together can't answer your questions, I don't know who can!
Ask away!
.
Tallyman
Cliff,
I am a Real "J" "W".
What is a "J" "W"? Anyhow, I just have one question. (Compound.) If you believe (and you have to) that Jesus came back in 1914 and is now directing His Org, why doesn't He get the prophecies and guesses right? I have been out for several years and I haven't kept up with any guesses since 1975.
Another question would be: Why isn't You Know or maybe Fred disfellowshipped?
Finally, do you believe the Watchtower, or are you like YK or Fred who say it is corrupt?
