Counter Productive Witnessing Questions

by Vanderhoven7 10 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  Vanderhoven7

  A part of me would like to ask JWs the following questions...but I know it would be rude and counter-productive. So I also know I can expect some flack.

  How well do you know your organization's history? (Very well!) Are you sure? (Yes)

  1. When, according to the WTS did God promise to usher in a safe and secure new world order before those who witnessed the events of 1914 pass away? (Awake Masthead till October 1995)

  2. Does theocratic warfare mean that JWs are permitted to misrepresent the truth to persons they consider unworthy of truth?

  3. How do you respond to the accusation that your religion has failed to protect children from pedophiles within your organization?

  4. What are your personal thoughts about your religion being associated with the UN (wild beast of Revelation) as an NGO for approximately 10 years from 1991 to 2001?

  5. Why were Jehovah's Witnesses selling their homes in the early 1970s? (they were looking forward to 1975)

  6. Do you know why JW hemophiliacs were frightened in the late 1970s? (1975-1978 hemophiliac preparations were banned)

  6. Can you tell me why JWs with severe kidney or liver malfunctions were out of luck before 1980? (from 1967 to 1980 organ transplants = cannibalism)

  7. Do you know why Jehovah's Witnesses were more susceptible to disease than worldly people before 1952? (From 1927-1952 vaccinations were banned as a violation of the everlasting covenant)

  8. Do you know why JWs were avoiding marriage and having children in the 30s & 40s?

  (Armageddon so close)

  9. Do you know why JWs were adding rooms onto their homes in the early 1920s?

  (because in 1926 they could call Abraham in Jerusalem and ask him to raise grandma)

  10. How many times did your organization falsely predict the end of the world?
  
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  Listener

  They are very good questions and I don't see them as being rude questions to ask a JW.

  Do you know where I can read about point number 9? I knew that Rutherford claimed that Beth Sarim were for the faithful old but hadn't heard about other JWs adding rooms to their houses.
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  ElderEtta

  Excellent questions
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  Nathan Natas

  Listener, if memory serves W. E. van Amburgh's 1924 "The Way to Paradise" (the forerunner of the pink "Paradise" book) actually presented this scenario.

  See Chapter XI, "Princes in All the Earth," page 228

  "...Let us suppose that you are living after the kingdom is established and the blessings have begun to flow out to the people in abundant measure. Of course it will take some time to get things in smoothly running order after the great stress between now and 1926. It may be ten years or more before you get your home all fixed up, and the gardens bringing forth the luscious fruits and appetizing vegetables in abundance. Even if it takes a while longer you will be that much better prepared. You will have secured the services of the best decorators you can find. Some of them used to be undertakers; but since there are no more people dying, they have had to seek some new occupation. Their experience as undertakers prepared them to become decorators with very little difficulty.

  You have made all preparations for father and mother. The home is all ready; a special room is prepared for them, fitted with everything yon can think of that might give pleasure I and delight. You then call up thc princes at Jerasalein, state your case, and make request that your father and your mother might be awakened. In joyful expectancy you wait. Some morning you hear talking in the room you have prepared. There was no one there last night. You know that there are no thieves or intruders ; for all such experiences have been eliminated. You do not need to be fearful; so you listen at the door. You hear father's familiar voice saying, "Motlier, where are we? Are we dreaming? Why, I thought I attended your funeral last summer; then I was taken sick, and they had the doctor, and that is the last I can remember." Mother says : "I don't understand it either, Dear. The last I can remember is that I was so sick, and you and the doctors were standing at the bedside, and you were holding my hand. What has happened? We are not sick now, and this room is different from any room I ever saw. It is so beautiful anti everything is so peaceful. Just hear those birds sing, and did you ever? Why, where did you get that suit of clothes "you are as handsome as you were on our wedding day."

  Father exclaims: "Well, suppose you give me a chance to ask you some questions I Where did you get that dress? You must be getting stylish in your old age. And you needn't talk to me about being good-looking. Look into the glass yourself. Well, I wonder what has happened, anyway. Are we in heaven or crazy or what?" You can stand it no longer. With heart running over with joy and all excitement, you burst open the door and rush in exclaiming, 'O Father! O Mother! you are neither, in heaven nor crazy. You are just here, your old dear selves. Yes! you are really here. I am so glad, so happy, that I don't know what to do. I just want to look at you, and love you, and touch you, to be sure you are really alive again. My! but you are looking well. I never saw you looking so handsome !" [story continues for several more pages.]

  You can find poor quality free download copies of The Way to Paradise online, or you can purchase a high quality replica reprint from LuLu.com that I produced several years ago if you wish. The bulk of the price of the LuLu version is LuLu's cost of production and distribution. I make a couple of dollars.
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  Vanderhoven7

  Thanks NN

  Can't help but chuckle when I read:

  "Of course it will take some time to get things in smoothly running order after the great stress between now and 1926....

  You have made all preparations for father and mother. The home is all ready; a special room is prepared for them, fitted with everything you can think of that might give pleasure I and delight. You then call up the princes at Jerusalem state your case, and make request that your father and your mother might be awakened. In joyful expectancy you wait. Some morning you hear talking in the room you have prepared."

  1924 "The Way to Paradise" Chapter XI, "Princes in All the Earth," pages 228,229

  
  
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  Wasanelder Once

  The early WT truly was a loony bin. Yes, good questions. I think they are better read than spoken and better at preventing converts than deprogramming JW's in a cold conversation. But, who knows? Give it a go when it feels right. I encourage all first time readers here to look up the source of the answers to said questions for their own knowledge, its worth the effort.
  
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  Giordano

  Your questions are good to excellent but let's be frank........... you believe in bible myths and superstition and corrupted bible accounts.

  So your in no position to question another person's beliefs. It's your right to do so but beliefs should not be a game of gotcha!

  The JWs have successfully made up one of the worlds crappiest religions.......... like the Shakers they are declining. All religions are now in some level of decline other then the birth rate.............. because we have learned most of the truth that religions have guarded and science has revealed.

  So who has the true beliefs....... who knows! Are the words you are reading in your bible true and god directed....doubtful.

  In actuality a believer knows less then a non believer....so they are not reliable guides.

  This is the reality that religious people face. Picture the Amish as one example. They focus on the need to ban scientific discoveries like electric power and live like they did two hundred years earlier.

  Their child needs an ambulance......... do they run to their telephone positioned on a poll in the ground 100 yards away so it doesn't violate their religious beliefs? You bet they do. Do they hope modern science will save their child? If they are sane they do ....... if they are not sane........... it's god's will.

  Religion and beliefs at its finest.
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  Vanderhoven7

  ...you believe in bible myths and superstition and corrupted bible accounts. So your in no position to question another person's beliefs.

  Because I believe the Bible I'm in no position to question how other Bible believers interpret the Bible?

  I don't follow your logic Giordano.
  
  
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  Listener

  Thanks Nathan Natas, that's some read. I guess they've just progressed to putting their words into movies these days, picturing the dead alive in paradise running into the arms of their loved ones.
  
  I hope they have their house on a huge plot of land because they're going to need it for when their parents want to add on rooms for their parents and so on.
  
  Then there is just the real creepy stuff like -

  Their experience as undertakers prepared them to become decorators with very little difficulty.
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  Nathan Natas

  My pleasure everyone, thank you; the honor is to serve.

  But always remember, the first rule of Bible Fight Club is: Never talk about Bible Fight Club!