Are badness, disobedience, and rebellion part of the "perfect" human nature?

by psyco 11 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  psyco

  When humankind will be perfect again after 1,000 years living in a paradise without being influenced by Satan and demons, since "The number of these is as the sand of the sea" (Revelation 20:8), a huge amount of "perfect" people, like Adam and Eve, will be bad, disobedient, and rebel being misled by Satan once again.

  Does this mean that after living today surrounded by bad, disobedient, and rebel imperfect people, you will still live surrounded by bad, disobedient and rebel "perfect" people in a paradise?

  Does this mean that badness, disobedience, and rebellion are part of the "perfect" human nature considering the big amount of people involved ("as the sand of the sea")?

  Is it possible that we were originally created with such a strong desire and tendency to badness, disobedience, and rebellion as a result of a wise, loving, and perfect project?
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  truth_b_known

  Is it possible that we were originally created with such a strong desire and tendency to badness, disobedience, and rebellion as a result of a wise, loving, and perfect project?

  That is an interesting question. More questions that are linked to that also come from the Book of Genesis. We are introduced by the writer/writers to a "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Bad". We recall the Serpent makes a statement to Eve that if she and Adam were to eat of the tree they too would have said knowledge (i.e. knowledge of what is "good" and knowledge of what is "bad").

  The Book of Genesis account continues that Adam and Eve eat the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge. The story states they both immediately received this knowledge and came to a realization of they had done. Adam and Eve "cover" themselves. God asks Adam, "Why are you covering yourself (i.e. why do you have clothes on)?" Adam replies, "Because we were naked." Notice God's next question - "How do you know what 'naked' is?"

  The question I have are as follows:

  According to Biblical definition, does being a "perfect human" mean being completely unaware of what a sin would even look like?

  If Jesus manifested on Earth as a perfect human, how did he know what was "good and bad"? He obviously did. Why did he get so angry and forcefully drive out the money changers from the temple if he didn't recognize the bad that was going on?

  Did the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge alter Adam and Eve's offspring so that mankind not only inherited sin, but also the knowledge of good and bad? How else do we explain the fact that empathy is a trait generated by the human brain function if the Biblical account is true? So, sickness, old age, and death are not all that mankind inherited from the first couple.

  Does this mean when mankind is restored to perfection its offspring in paradise will be unable to comprehend the concepts of good or bad and act accordingly? "Mom and dad, why do you cover your body in woven plant fiber?"

  The Euthyphro Dilemma comes to mind with this discussion.
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  psyco

  And also:

  If we all know (God, angels, and humans) that there will be this other test and even its result (Revelation 20:8) since it is already written in the Bible, all this time left to imperfect humankind is to demonstrate what to who?
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  waton

  after 1000+ years of extended wt rule down to the ms level, meetings going over the old stories again, and again,

  it is perfectly normal to be driven into the 4 corners of earth. no, not a flat earth sheet, but a three cornered pyramid.

  It is a pyramid schemes, the product: "you will not die"
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  truth_b_known

  It is a pyramid schemes, the product: "you will not die"

  That is the sales pitch of the Abrahamic religions, which makes them egocentric.
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  punkofnice

  watty - after 1000+ years of extended wt rule .....

  That's all I need to hear that would make me suicidal.....if any of the WTBT$ claims were true....which they're not.

  So there is that.
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  psyco

  A number "as the sand of the sea" of bad, disobedient, and rebel people who prefer dying instead of living after 1,000 years spent in perfect and paradisiac conditions, how could it be considered in terms of results obtained by a Kingdom?
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  Fisherman

  disobedient, and rebel people who prefer dying instead of living after 1,000 years spent in perfect and paradisiac conditions.

  Hard to understand doesn’t seem it is a person’s fault to be that way. Who would want to do that? But that is the nature of having free will and that is the nature of reality. And there is nothing one can do about it. If you break the law, you die. Two plus two does not equal five. The problem is how can a perfect person choose wrong unless something is wrong with him to begin with.

  
  
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  truth_b_known

  
  
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  WTWizard

  Reality: After 1,000 years without Satan and the Demons, we are all going to be miserable. There will be total enslavement to aliens (such as reptilians) that wish all fulfillment gone from the universe, and we will all end up like the greys. As slaves.