TO ALL LURKERS- IS THIS GOING TO FAR......

by JT 13 Replies latest jw friends

  • JT
    JT

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    IN PROTECTING THE ORG AT ALL COST

    Here is an example of what the Wt mindset does to it's members esp the elders

    here you have a body of elders who MUST ASK WHAT TO DO and the concern as you can see is not for the publishers but for the Legal backlash that the org might face

    just think sister old has this guy over to work on her sink

    how nice of the bro and the next thing you know she is dead

    ARE THERE any lurkers out there who feel that they have no right to know that the jw in thier house has been involved in this type of conduct

    james

    I'd rather have questions I can't answer than questions I can't ask (or answers I can't question)."

    for

  • Undecided
    Undecided

    Hi James,

    My brother, who is now dfed, told me of a case where he sat on the committee meeting of a brother who, the committee, believed had murdered someone. He said they were told that the secular authorities were responsibile to handle that and they didn't report it. He wouldn't give names and I didn't push for more info.

    Sort of like the Catholic confession rite.

    Ken P.

  • JT
    JT

    you are on the money- there are cases all over just like this and other issues

  • outnfree
    outnfree

    This letter was brought up maybe 10 days ago, and I commented then that while the brothers might not have a LEGAL OBLIGATION to report this murderer to the authorities, they certainly had a MORAL OBLIGATION to tell him that to really be right with God, he needed to repent, confess(to the authorities, not just to the elders), and to pay the consequences (civil, not just spiritual). Fearful though he (and THEY!!!) might be, works befitting repentance are NOT just meeting attendance and field service. If he "did the crime" he should "do the time." If that means his eventual execution -- Florida does have 'Old Sparky' -- at least he dies with a clean conscience and will wake up in paradise, right?

    But what really just got me on THIS thread was Undecided's "Sort of like the Catholic confession rite."

    It never ceases to amaze me how the WTBTS can talk out of both sides of its mouth! The above observation is correct. The WTBTS' Legal Dept. is using the clergy-penitent confidentiality law to excuse and recuse themselves from having to inform secular authorities of confessed crimes brought to their attention, and yet the Public Affairs Dept. is claiming that there IS no clergy class -- and that the elders are unpaid, untrained, voluntary shepherds, while the Service/Writing Dept. is urging Witnesses to give double honor to "those taking the lead among" them -- which translates into the elders, the P.O., the C.O., the D.O., the Zone and Branch Committees, and the Governing Body! (If these aren't clergy "classes" I don't know what is!) These "gifts in men" are special -- appointed by holy spirit!

    All of [adult?] Jehovah's Witnesses are "ordained ministers" at baptism, yet only "qualified elders" are allowed to speak to researchers about the religion. (See the recent threads about the Chicago District Conventions posted by expatBrit and the Letter to the Body of Elders posted by Marvin Shilmer.)

    It seems to me that courts of law everywhere need to be fully apprised that this "we are all brothers [and sisters - implied]" bulls t is just that: bunk, cow patties, etc.! There IS a heirarchy, despite everybody wearing the same "uniform". And the local judicial committee holds the power of life and death (spiritual and relationship-wise) over the rank and file. And women in the organization have NO power at all, except the pioneers/nuns who are an influence for good among us ("Sell more magazines like us!" "Is your WT studied yet?")!

    The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society is dishonest and wicked when it uses clergy-penitent confidentiality as an excuse for harboring criminals within its Organization. If all baptized publishers are ministers, then ALL are clergy, ergo -- there IS no "confessional". OR, alternatively, if all elders are mere "brothers" on an equal footing with all other "brothers and sisters", then, there IS no "confessional".

    So, 'fess up, Brooklyn, THERE IS A CLERGY CLASS! Stop lying to the public. Stop lying to yourselves. Stop lying to the publishers. You are no better than the other religionists and your legal defense makes MUCH more sense if you can just admit this to all!

    outnfree

  • JT
    JT

    out saysThe WTBTS' Legal Dept. is using the clergy-penitent confidentiality law to excuse and recuse themselves from having to inform secular authorities of confessed crimes brought to their attention, and yet the Public Affairs Dept. is claiming that there IS no clergy class -- and that the elders are unpaid, untrained, voluntary shepherds, while the Service/Writing Dept. is urging Witnesses to give double honor to "those taking the lead among" them -- which translates into the elders, the P.O., the C.O., the D.O., the Zone and Branch Committees, and the Governing Body! (If these aren't clergy "classes" I don't know what is!) These "gifts in men" are special -- appointed by holy spirit!

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    you have hit the nail on the head - taking it to a higher level

    suppose this guy had killed 3 children of 2 families in this hall and now he is a jw sitting in the hall, in the same bookstudy, etc with these families and THE ELDERS know who killed the kids the law is still looking for him- the families are still looking for justice and here is this guy sitting here in the hall and as the boys in brooklyn said

    HE CAN'T BE USED TO CARRY THE MIKES

    HOW SAD

    i agree with you 100% they speak out both sides of thier mouths
    and that is so sad

    james

    truly and excellent post and points to drive home the clear fact that WT is no more than a corp like firestone, ford , etc that is out to save thier A$$

  • JT
    JT

    out says

    This letter was brought up maybe 10 days ago

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    i can't seem to find this thread - where is it at

    thanks

    james

  • Had Enough
    Had Enough

    JT:

    Just how much further can they go? Each time I think I've heard the worst, something more comes out...like this....and the pedophile cases.

    I know I join many others whose heads are just reeling over these findings. I'm absolutely stunned!

    How can the elders sleep at night? How much longer can JWs keep hiding their heads in the sand or keep walking around with blinders on?

    I realize most JWs don't know of these things but once they find out, I pray that they will take their blinders off, take their hands away from their ears and look at the FACTS.

    Had Enough

  • Had Enough
    Had Enough

    To outnfree:

    You mentioned this letter and discussion was in a thread about 10 days ago.

    Do you remember what the topic of the thread was and who started it?

    Like JT, I'd like to go back and read the comments too, but I've just gone back through about 30 pages, and couldn't find a topic that sounded like it was about this letter or subject.

    Can you, or anybody, help us out? Thanks!!!!

    Had Enough

  • ZazuWitts
    ZazuWitts

    James and HadEnough

    The thread was "Re: Murder letter" - May 13. I believe it is posted on
    http://www.silentlambs

    Grrrrr - this is another issue I will be informing my state politicos about!
    They are the people who would eventually be able to enact legislation, and influence each state's Supreme Court to reform the 'freedom of religion' statutes to eliminate loopholes that protect religions from 'exposing' such vile persons in the various churches/religions.

    Sorry, I couldn't post a direct link to the thread - maybe someone can do this??

  • outnfree
    outnfree

    Hi, all.

    (Thanks for the compliments, JT!)

    The thread is, indeed, "Murder Letter" with the following link: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=5424&site=3

    A related link is "Ecclesiastical Privilege": http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/form/thread.asp?id=5476&site=3

    Happy reading!

    outnfree

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