I totally agree with this video about Islam (page 3)

cofty

Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a heroine.

I have two of her biographies on my bookshelf. Nobody knows the truth about the Watchtower as well as we do. Same goes for Islam. Ask an ex-Muslim if you want the know the whole nuanced truth.

There is a growing ex-muslim community that desperately needs help and support and have many moving and compelling stories. The trials and tribulations of leaving the WTS is absolutely nothing compared to the risks they take to leave Islam and to then speak up about it.

At the very least, give vocal support - make it clear that they are not alone, and make it clear that you don't accept their being labeled and threatened by the theocrats.

Fisherman

This whole "well a Christian guy once bombed somewhere 40 years ago so therefore same as ISIS" stuff is getting old and no one buys it as a legitimate argument anymore.

That is correct. The Christian text does not inspire violence but fanatics can come frome anywhere even from the Christians. Unless anyone can defend to the contrary, Islamic text does inspire violence; and a Christian nut case does not justify violent behaviour in the Islamic religion towards everybody else.

I am neutral to politics, I am just looking at things from what seems to be practical from the position of not having a bridge blown up under me or going shopping and a terrorist blowing up the place and me with it, or a dirty bomb, and the inconvenience and exoense I have to put up with everywhere for the sake of national security when the common denominator is Islam and not everybody else. Everyone should be able to have the freedom to believe whatever they like but if such beliefs means violence towards everyone or anyone then that should be a disqualification for being recognized as a religion. And it is an outrage to pay for national security billions of dollars to protect religious beliefs that inspire threats to national security.

The woman in the video did not abandon Islam she wants to reform it. We don't know her true motives but what I have seeing in the news including the case of OBL, are islamic individuals put in a position of trust or trusted and then acting treacherously in the name if Islam. I don't want to wind up dead ot maimed protecting the religion that is responsible for harming me. Again, Everyone should be free to believe but I dont want anyone being taught to believe to cause me harm with violent acts.

Finkelstein

The other problem with the Islamic faith is that there is no central power figure controlling the doctrinal edicts for all of the entire recognized followers. ie. the Pope , GB members of the WTS.

Because of that off shoot sects build up on their own accord usually in opposition to moderate secular practice.

If the Quran says to kill and gives the reason why in the praise and glory to Allah, then someone reading this is most likely going to take up this direction.

Simon

The other problem with the Islamic faith is that there is no central power figure controlling the doctrinal edicts for all of the entire recognized followers. ie. the Pope , GB members of the WTS

Well, they do. But it's pick and chose - when they want someone killed or something blown up they are suddenly the spokesperson and spiritual leader. When it's holding someone to account for the BS teaching they all look at the ground put their hands in their pockets and mutter "nothing to do with us". Then the politicians buy it.

There is definitely a command and control system, just not a single unified one (because as well as not getting on with anyone else, Islam isn't even capable of getting along with itself).

Finkelstein

Good point Simon Islam is actually internally at war with itself.

What Does Islam Teach About...

Violence

Does the Quran really contain over a hundred verses promoting violence?

The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by historical context contained in the surrounding text (although many Muslims choose to think of them that way). They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subject to interpretation as anything else in the Quran.

The context of violent passages is more ambiguous than might be expected of a perfect book from a loving God. Most contemporary Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy book's call to arms according to their own moral preconceptions about justifiable violence. Their apologists cater to these preferences with tenuous arguments that gloss over historical fact and generally do not stand up to scrutiny. Still, it is important to note that the problem is not bad people, but bad ideology.

Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. Muhammad's own martial legacy, along with the remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran, have produced a trail of blood and tears across world history.

Fisherman

The context of violent passages is more ambiguous than might be expected of a perfect book from a loving

Fin, if you are saying that the Islamic faith text does not ouright say, or suggest to commit violence but is subject to interpretation then it is not the faith but personal interpretation.

Finkelstein

is more ambiguous than might be expected of a perfect book from a loving God.

Pointing out the contradiction of ideology

Simon

if you are saying that the Islamic faith text does not ouright say, or suggest to commit violence but is subject to interpretation then it is not the faith but personal interpretation.

Except it does say those things and part of it also includes the point that to be a good Muslim you must follow the example set by Mohammed, the child-raping jew-murdering crazy Jihadist.

Sadly, many are actually devout followers and do copy his example far too closely.

I totally agree with this video about Islam

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