Massachusetts backs gay marriage

by ignored_one 60 Replies latest social current

  • Yerusalyim
    Yerusalyim

    I agree the ban on same sex couples being married is wrong and should be listed...so to should bans on marrying more than one spouse...as long as all are in agreement (Go Mormons)...for that matter one should be allowed to marry anyone they choose...as long as both consent...a good case can be made for allowing a father to marry and then divorce his son (or daughter) to circumvent certain tax inheritance laws. Brothers and sisters should be allowed to marry for the same reason...(ok, in some sections of Arkansas this happens).

    The dam as been opened, there's no closing it now.

    This is NOT hysterics...the same arguements used to validate gay marriage can be applied to all the cases above. Is this where we want to go as a society?

  • czarofmischief
    czarofmischief

    Sure. Why not?

    CZAR

  • SanFranciscoJim
    SanFranciscoJim
    Rather than granting a "special right", as the ultraconservative right-wing would have people believe
    Helllloooooo, where have you been? Every Democratic candidate has stated they are against gay marriage.... domestic "partnerships", Yes, but they've all come out against it as "marriage". Not everything is an ultraconservative right-wing "conspiracy"..... scheesch..

    Double Edge, you are over-reacting and misinterpreting my post! The ultraconservatives are trying to mask the issue at hand by claiming that the gay community is asking for special rights, rather than normalcy -- in other words, to be accepted as a part of mainstream society with the same rights, responsibilities, and privileges granted to everyone else. To ask for a formal, legally recognized declaration of one's love for one's partner does not strike me as anything "special".

    What any of this country's political candidates, Republican or Democrat, has nothing to do with this discussion whatsoever, and is a moot point......sheesh !!

  • Stacy Smith
    Stacy Smith
    Okay. You've got my vote. Get a referendum up and I'll support it.

    Besides, this might help pull the teeth out of the Moral Majority and I can have my Republican party back again.

    I am happy to see you feel this way Czar. I agree that I want the moral majority gone. While I am a republican and a conservative I feel my party is way off in these areas. But like most people I end up supporting a candidate more because I feel they are the lessor of two evils.

    Yeru gays and lesbians have been around forever. I understand how you feel but it's obvious my friend that you don't understand how they feel. While I am bi I am currently with a man. Should I fall totally in love with a woman I would hate to think that people I respect like yourself would feel that our love would be the same as incest. I don't see two men or two women together as the same as a father and daughter. I don't think you believe that way either.

    See folks, conservatives can disagree too.

  • Yerusalyim
    Yerusalyim

    Stacey,

    Hi Sweetie,

    You said,

    Yeru gays and lesbians have been around forever. I understand how you feel but it's obvious my friend that you don't understand how they feel. While I am bi I am currently with a man. Should I fall totally in love with a woman I would hate to think that people I respect like yourself would feel that our love would be the same as incest. I don't see two men or two women together as the same as a father and daughter. I don't think you believe that way either.

    Polygamists have been around just as long darling...why not allow multiple partner marriages...so too have those who married family members been around for a long time. I've not compared gay love to incest...what I have said is that if you open the door for one...you open it for all...the same arguements used to validate allowing gays to marry one another can be used for polygamy and incestual marriage too. Rather than being called a comparative arguement...it's called a slippery slope arguement...

    If I'm wrong someone tell me why those who want more than one marriage partner at the same time...or those who want to marry a close family member couldn't use the same arguements to endorse these marriages?

  • Abaddon
    Abaddon

    czar: Like I say, you're perceptive;

    Besides, this might help pull the teeth out of the Moral Majority and I can have my Republican party back again.

    If I was a Republican it would really bite to have to put up with religiously motivated policies, often ones that have more to do with a 'Vocal Minority' than a majority, moral or otherwise.

    Yeru: Just so I am clear on this, what is wrong with polygamous or polyandrous marriage? No slippery slope arguments please, we're talking about consensual partnerships between adult, with a legal framework for the dissolving of such partnetships and ensuring the safety of children, just like conventional marriages.

    Stacey;

    Should I fall totally in love with a woman I would hate to think that people I respect like yourself would feel that our love would be the same as incest.

    Stacey, if anyone thought that in the circumstances like you describe, you would have excellent reasons for not respecting them. Anyone trying to equate consensual realtionships with incest (which even if were talking about adults is hard to ever see as 'consensual', and has a host of other risks) is talking utter rubbish.

  • SanFranciscoJim
    SanFranciscoJim
    If I'm wrong someone tell me why those who want more than one marriage partner at the same time...or those who want to marry a close family member couldn't use the same arguements to endorse these marriages?

    Yeru, in many Middle Eastern and African cultures, polygamy is an accepted legally recognized practice. That having been said, part of the reason why polygamy is not being considered in current marriage statutes is because of the far-reaching legal ramifications such unions would create. two prime examples of this would be tax and immigration laws. If polygamy were to become legalized, an entirely new set of tax laws would have to be written. Multiple-partner relationships would, under current tax laws, get a much larger deduction than monogomous couples, gay or straight. As regards immigration, the legalization of polygamy could create a new cottage industry of bringing multiple partners into this country for the sole purpose of immigration. The laws surrounding polygamy would be complex, unlike gay marriage, which is simply allowing a single partner who happens to be of the same sex to marry.

    As regards marriage to close family members, there is too much incontrivertible scientific evidence to show that such unions can be genetically dangerous to potential offspring. No such danger exists in a mating between a union of two people of the same gender.

    Will legal acceptance of gay marriage open the door to proponents of polygamous or incestual unions? Perhaps, but in the final analysis, the issues and legal ramifications are very different. Proponents of polygamy or incest would have a hard time piggybacking their arguments on the gay marriage issue.

  • Yerusalyim
    Yerusalyim

    The view of marriage in the United States has always been that it is a union between a man and a woman...society has decided that that union deserves certain priveleges...because it has viewed marriage and the traditional family as core to a stable society.

    Has society's views on this changed? Nope, not really. So, gays, polygamists, and the incest crowd don't receive any special rights...rather...they receive the same rights of marriage that I do...to marry someone of the opposite sex as long as we're both single.

    Look for a constitutional amendment in Mass. defining marriage as between a Man and a Woman.

    However...if we grant this right to gays...then let's go ahead and extend it to ANYONE who wants to marry..>REGARDLESS of circumstances.

  • Phantom Stranger
    Phantom Stranger

    At one point "society" decided that voting in the US was only for white male landowners. How did that happen? Wasn't a decision, really, at all - it was inertia, as wealthy white males had been running things, so they kept doing it.

    The changes to that mode of government grew out of examination of what the U.S. Constitution, a document of principles to govern by, actually says.

    Progress doesn't come by being attached to practices of the past... sometimes it comes by forcing ourselves to live up to the ideals that we claim to live by.

    I think it's funny how the founders of this country, based on their documents of government, were less hung up on religion as a central part of society and government than conservatives are today. Perhaps the wonderful track record of the Roman Catholic Church in Europe, and the Anglican rubber-stamp-for-King-Harry Church, turned them off of such needs.

  • Badger
    Badger

    It's gotten some real play in Texas...Where a man who murdered a gay man got 5 years.

    One teacher at work broke out that old saw that countries that supported gay lifestyles were destroyed within 50 years, and that Gays would destroy marriage. I countered that I would consider that true if the Gay divorce rate climbed over 55%, which was what it's stood at in the bible belt for straights.

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