What sort of people were the JW's who went to prison? Government study tells all

by Terry 14 Replies latest jw friends

  • Terry
    Terry

    DO YOU FEEL A DRAFT? (JW’s DID-in the 1960s)


    I thought you might find it interesting to review exactly what the U.S. government thought, studied, and wrote about people of conscience during the Vietnam War.
    What follows comes from official records…

    More than half of the 27 million men eligible for the draft during the Vietnam War were deferred, exempted, or disqualified.
    (Cortright, David (2008). Peace: A History of Movements and Ideas.)

    The Federal Government and the Military created three categories for these fellows.
    1. Draft Evaders
    2, Draft Resistors
    3, Conscientious Objectors

    It is now known that, during the Vietnam era, approximately 570,000 young men were classified as draft offenders, and approximately 210,000 were formally accused of draft violations; however, only 8,750 were convicted and only 3,250 were jailed.


    The SELECTIVE SERVICE SYSTEM was “kind” enough to provide recourse for non-combatants. (see below) and that Alternative was “other than” Military or Political.



    We see from the above, that Alternative Service was viewed as being neutral in the eyes of the Law.
    This is where the fun begins!
    The attitude, mental state, and the reason given by each individual person actually determined how the Law would act - or-” react.”



    The funny part (not “ha-ha” funny but peculiar) is that there is a technicality in all this that seems to be very hard for many folks to wrap their head around. Jehovah’s Witness Brothers were automatically exempted from the Military when they were deferred as Conscientious Objectors but - by also refusing community service instead of Military service, their DOUBLE-refusal was regarded as defiant, obstinate, and wilful insubordination.


    Very few Judges could make heads or tails of this, it seems. Some did - most didn’t.
    As a matter of fact, asking for that EXTRA privilege (requesting probation) backfired for many of those requesting special privileges.

    Depending on the particular judge, attorney, or jury a JW had - the sentence might differ quite widely.


    That part (above) about Indeterminate sentences under the Youth Corrections Act,
    was my category: the maximum sentence was 5 years EXCEPT under the YCA, and I received a 6-year sentence because I was 20 years old and my judge (Hang em’ High Brewster) decided to feel this was appropriate. (Sigh). Long story short: no two JW’s received the exact same treatment. Most of us never knew what our Brothers’ actual state of being was unless he volunteered to tell us. Among us are many untold stories!

    Eventually, we were paroled and faced the prospects of going back into everyday life with an invisible impediment attached to our reputations (as far as employment was concerned).


    Our prison experience might well be summed up by outsiders in the following way:



    HALF A CENTURY ago we of the SEAGOVILLE brotherhood went into the local County Jails and served time in several Federal Correctional Institutions. Seagoville ironically had been built originally to house Japanese-Americans during WWII whose only crime was being the same nationality as the country the United States was fighting overseas.

    When we finally made it back to our local congregations and asked to fill out our time spent in service card - those 17,532+hours looked mighty impressive - did they not?
    Yes, I am jesting!
    That time wasn’t counted - but for us - it counted. Just simply knowing that time didn't count with the Watchtower Society says a lot. In my mind, it means I and my fellow inmates were "useful idiots" and used as public relations to promote the idea that persecution proves the JW's were the true religion.

    All of us separately and together did exactly what we were asked to do by our local congregations and (tacitly) by our Governing Body at the time. It was told to each of us quietly, circumspectly with caution: "Do NOT tell anybody you were instructed to do this. You must say it is your conscience." IRONIC, isn't it? We were told what to say as if our "conscience" was concluding ALTERNATE service was just as bad as military service. Who thinks that way? Who reasons like that? I found the above information quite revealing. Maybe you did too.

    ________

    Addendum

    New Light

    1996
    "What, though, if the Christian lives in a land where exemption [from military service] is not granted to ministers of religion? Then he will have to make a personal decision following his Bible-trained conscience. What, though, if the State requires a Christian for a period of time to perform civilian service that is a part of national service under a civilian administration? That is his decision before Jehovah." Watchtower 1996 May 1 pp.19-20


    Jehovah’s Witnesses are grateful when governments exempt them from military service altogether or allow conscientious young men and women to perform nonmilitary civilian national service. (Romans 12:18; 14:19; 2 Corinthians 10:4; Hebrews 12:14) Furthermore, the Witnesses’ neutral stand means that they do not interfere with those who choose to serve in the armed forces. Application of this simple principle makes Jehovah’s Witnesses exemplary, peace-loving citizens from whom governmental authorities have nothing to fear. “

    https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/Documents/Issues/RuleOfLaw/ConscientiousObjection/JehovahsWitnesses.pdf

  • Sea Breeze
    Sea Breeze
    All of us separately and together did exactly what we were asked to do by our local congregations and (tacitly) by our Governing Body at the time. It was told to each of us quietly, circumspectly with caution: "Do NOT tell anybody you were instructed to do this. You must say it is your conscience." IRONIC, isn't it? We were told what to say as if our "conscience" was concluding ALTERNATE service was just as bad as military service.

    What a bunch of snakes. No one who is opposed to military service would object to some sort of civilian community service instead. The WT was just creating martyrs as usual with their flock. You got used.

    Ironic? Yes, lots of irony...If you actually follow your conscience and accept alternative service, you'll be disfellowshipped and never see your family again. You'll be physically free, but experience a social and familial prison.

    If, you go against your conscience and obey the high leaders at WT, you'll go to prison, and must live life as a felon the rest of your life, - can never own a gun, vote, be a lawyer, run for office, get a good job etc.

    I knew a good JW kid who went to prison for a short time for a marijuana charge while still a teenager. He got a good job as a trustee saddling horses for the squad bosses and riding fence lines mending fences miles from the prison sometimes. He later said that it was the first time in his life that he felt truly free compared to growing up JW.



  • truth_b_known
    truth_b_known

    This is the situation that first opened my eyes. I could not believe that the Watchtower gave orders to young Witness men to reject alternative service and then deny that was would they were told to do by the Watchtower. What is interesting is I believe the Watchtower policy is still to announce that a baptized Witness who voluntarily joins the military is to be labeled "Disassociated" and not "Disfellowshipped" for fear of the U.S. government.

  • neat blue dog
    neat blue dog
    a baptized Witness who voluntarily joins the military is to be labeled "Disassociated" and not "Disfellowshipped"

    Yup and same for blood transfusions. All that matters is appearances.

  • Terry
    Terry

    I was sentenced and jailed in the country jail in Fort Worth, Texas in '67, and ten days later
    taken outside Dallas to Seagoville Federal Correctional facility. After the first six months
    I went before a Parole hearing.
    That first time, I intuited the members of the Parole Board wanted to 'poke the bear' and
    make me kiss their collective ass.
    That was problematic. Of course, I wanted to get out of prison as soon as possible. Duh!
    But their smarmy attitude of power irked me.

    I was asked if I liked the lovely facilities of the prison. Now that's a pregnant query!
    Better to make the question neutral than to insert the word "like."
    My thought at that moment was that I was being baited.
    Maybe I was just being paranoid. I don't know for sure.
    "I'm not accustomed to any everyday association with criminals and that colors my views," I answered as evenly as I could.
    Unfortunately, the reaction was negative.
    "You've broken the law - you're a criminal. Maybe the other inmates resent being in here with you."

    Involuntarily, I laughed!
    I shouldn't have responded as I did.
    "That's just silly. The other inmates are here for robbery, extortion, loansharking, drug trafficking, kidnapping, and one fellow I met the other day murdered five F.B.I. agents. Who would you want to be trapped in an elevator with? Me or them?"
    Yes, I was stupid.
    I went up for parole again the next year and mostly kept myself confined to pleasant "Yes or No" answers.
    In 1969 I did get parole and remained on parole for 6 years! I reported to my parole officer regularly and
    let me tell you - THAT guy was a genuine butthole who left no doubt in my mind he was power-mad and held my fate in his hands.
    More than a few of my fellow JW's served 3 years or more and were bounced from prison to prison, state to state never received any letters from their home congregation or got a single visit.
    There were 50 of us during my time spent inside.
    Last year I was contacted by one of the Bros and told of a reunion to be held on ZOOM for all
    the guys I hadn't seen or spoken to in 50 years.
    I'm the only EX-JW among them. Just think about that. I know I did.
    There have been 3 online Zoom reunions so far - I skipped all of them because I did not want
    to lie to any of them or misrepresent my status.
    I love those guys. We have a bond like none other. I've spoken to five of them on the phone...just feeling them out.
    We are all in our mid-70s and none of them is retired from work except me.
    They are unhealthy, falling apart physically, depressed, in some instances - I'd say 'robotic'.
    By that I mean - what did I expect? Saying the same things over and over for FIFTY YEARS!?
    All those Kingdom Hall hours spent listening to - fill in the blank. I'd have shot myself by now had I
    remained inside. Whew.
    I have one really close friend among them who knows my status and doesn't care.
    He and I agree that many of the prison Brothers are probably PIMO but don't wish to lose friends or family.
    All they have is the eternal Armageddon is almost here mantra.
    They'll be waiting on Jehovah till the day they drop dead.
    It makes me very sad, actually. Very sad.




  • resolute Bandicoot
    resolute Bandicoot

    Thanks for that Terry.

    RB

  • under the radar
    under the radar

    Thanks for posting this, Terry. I had no idea such a study had ever been conducted.

    I can verify what you said about being counseled ordered not to reveal what you had been instructed about accepting alternative service. You couldn't agree ahead of time on anything. It was considered "making a deal" with the military. You were only allowed to comply with whatever sentence you got. I know this for a fact. My dad was a long-time "servant," now called "elder," and I heard him telling the same thing to my draft-age cousin who was facing the same thing you did. He went to prison, too, but I'm not sure exactly how long he was in.

    About the same time, another young JW I knew was actually sentenced to do hospital work. When his term was up, the hospital immediately hired him and he had a long and successful career with them. Talk about unequal treatment and outcomes.

  • Terry
    Terry

    I found this poem I wrote about SEAGOVILLE prison:

    CAPTIVE THOUGHT

    Through the prism of a prisoner’s point of view, it must be said
    Nothing freely follows from a prison inmate's head

    if your audience is captive there is no need to rebuff
    Any stab of poetry even though it’s silly stuff

    Often thinking the unthinkable
    presuming to presume
    SEAGOVILLE inspires the author’s dark desires
    While confined at night inside his tiny room


    Wit is for the witty not the pretty nor the proud
    Merely japing jungle jargon (jarring jawbones laughing loud)

    Coloring your adjectives with every spoken word
    Borders on the ludicrous, the loutish, and absurd!

    (for instance)

    No, my mother’s not a trucker but I’m gonna get you, sucker
    Don’t bend over in the shower for the soap
    Snitches will get stitches, (never trust those sons o’ bitches)
    Keep an eye out for the pervs who like to grope!

    The food is in the Mess and often mess is in the food
    But you’ll eat it and you’ll like it - (or you won’t)
    You can choose the DO’s you DO by simply doing what your told
    or refuse the few you don’t
    And spend the night inside THE HOLE

    Ah yes, SEAGOVILLE, my Brothers
    Was a home unlike all others
    The confinement simply smothers you with cops
    Pray parole will turn up
    With all your Hope you burn up
    While you’re waiting for the other shoe to drop

    Seventeen thousand hours is the average time we spent
    With room and board on Uncle Sam (so none of us paid rent)
    Because we loved Jehovah and embraced His word of Truth
    One day we’ll stand before His King
    who’ll weigh our ‘worthy’ proof

    ____________








  • Ding
    Ding

    The GB required a lot of JWs to go to prison while they themselves lived like kings.

  • Terry
    Terry

    Rutherford and his Board were in Atlanta and they might disagree with the "lived like kings" :)
    However, Nathan Knorr and Freddy (the Oracle) Franz had a jacuzzi filled with naked boys - soo....

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