The Elder Trap. (page 2)

hillary_step

Mike,

What is worrying is that it does not take a rocket scientist to work this one out but some do not seem to be able to join the dots. Perhaps it is easier to function in a world of comic book morality and ethics, you know when the Superhero gets battered but never shows a bruise and nobody ever seems to die. Life is not like that, people get hurt by words, perhaps even driven over the edge of what they can handle emotionally. How would we feel if our words drove a depressed soul over the edge of the jumping off point? I have seen this happen within the WTS, why do we feel it cannot happen on these Boards?

Growing up after living in the stunted WTS environment is not easy, but it is something we have to do to in order to survive. Stepping outside the WTS box and then building another little XJW one, this time with the loaded gun of freedom can be very dangerous to ourselves and those around us. If we find ourselves being hurt, it is time to step back and take care of the most important thing we have, our own lives.

I do find it easy to understand that the moral confusion that sets in when we leave the WTS, my God, we have all been through it, but what puzzles me beyond measure is those who have exited the WTS, perhaps many years ago and are past the point of pain and yet who hang around these Boards manipulating and using the emotions of those who are just out and still struggling with numerous emotional issues.

Now this scenario truly does stink of 'elders', 'Kingdom Hall's' and 'dublike thinking'.

HS

simplesally

Waiting, I am in the auto biz as well, and that story hasn't reached these here parts! ROFL.

topanga

Watchtower identifies it self as a religious not for profit. As such they have the right to recruit volunteers fund raise get free or discounted property and office space and equipment and many other perks. They are selling you a religious lifestyle much like tony roberts, or scientology. They don't necessarily believe or follow any of the crap they are trained to teach you, although some of them become drunk on their own lies and are beginning to choke on them. They are trained to go get the money.

The elders are trained to open up money centers or kingdom halls world wide. These money centers or kingdom halls operate alot like Amway, the money that comes in to the organisation is paid out by the trickle down method. In these centers people are taught to recruit and bring in more money. The elders get to divide up the money in each congregation and pocket some if not all of it. I've heard elders arguing over who gets the lions share. Local elders build additions on to houses and drive expensive automobiles, bethel elders wear $500.00 rain coats, stash it in a bank or who knows.

It's a good way to get rich tax free. Nothing more.

Gopher

The elders get to divide up the money in each congregation and pocket some if not all of it. I've heard elders arguing over who gets the lions share. Local elders build additions on to houses and drive expensive automobiles....

We've got to be careful with the facts here!

I handled the accounts in two different congregations. All the money coming in to the contribution boxes was carefully counted and signed for, and all money went directly to the congregation bank account. And then from there the money went for various expenses (rent, utilities, upkeep). The only time I ever made out a check to an elder was for reimbursement of the cost for printing monthly meeting programs, or to a circuit overseer for gas and groceries, etc.

Never once did the elders reap any financial gains from the contributions made at the kingdom hall.

gumby

but what puzzles me beyond measure is those who have exited the WTS, perhaps many years ago and are past the point of pain and yet who hang around these Boards manipulating and using the emotions of those who are just out and still struggling with numerous emotional issues.

I don't follow here.

It's puzzeling to you that people like your self, and myself, and farkle, and ones who have been out for awhile, come to these boards to do what? Who do you mean, and what types of manipulating and using of the emotions are you talking about? In what way?

Just wondering.

Gumby

hillary_step

Gumby,

It's puzzeling to you that people like your self, and myself, and farkle, and ones who have been out for awhile, come to these boards to do what? Who do you mean, and what types of manipulating and using of the emotions are you talking about? In what way

I think the issue I am raising is contained in your phrase 'to do what'. Think about it

Not so difficult to understand. Some who inhabit these Boards, even by their own admission, have no interest any longer in WTS issues, but they do seem to be interested in causing and propagating problems between people. I have noticed that they often use others to fire the gun that they load, especially if they have an ancient agenda motivating them that they just cannot bury.

If you want a list of names you are not going to get one, if you wish to excercise discretion then it does not take a genius to follow the breadcrumbs to where they lead.

Best regards - HS

SixofNine

How is it I manage to get thru life so blissfully lately, w/o giving much more than a passing thought to subjects such as these? This in spite of reading threads about it and seeing a constant short-school-bus stream of "elder" this, and "JW-like" that references. Perhaps it's because I recognize the special needs of the person making the comparison, and give it appropriate weight. These are not smart people; unfortunately, they aren't nice people either. It's my least favorite personality combination.

gumby

HS,

I misread your meaning .....as is not uncommon for me to do at times. I apologise for that. I also of course do not wish for the poster types you mentioned. I feel that anyone who can offer a helping hand here is welcome, and others looking with bad intentions........can kiss Minimus's nutsack!

Gumby

( edited to add....'hey sixer......quit being a cranky scrooge like mean old bastard....will ya"?)

hillary_step

Six,

Perhaps it's because I recognize the special needs of the person making the comparison, and give it appropriate weight.

Perhaps you are just playing weight and see...

HS

hillary_step

Gumby,

I misread your meaning .....as is not uncommon for me to do at times.

No problem.

HS

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