Forget all the pagan stuff. Forget all the "Does this make God unhappy?" stuff. In a close society like the WT it is important to break down all the social connections of your converts. One of the strongest connections is the family ties. And those ties are reaffirmed at family get togethers. Mostly during holidays and other family events, often tied to a religious setting. How do you disconnect one from his/her family? Tell them that God hates holidays, churches, and the like. And then the converts will alienate themselves from their families and friends and the new found friends will fill that void. This is the REAL reason the duds don't get involved in "worldly celebrations"! Maverick