Adam & Eve , just plain DUMB?

by coolshark 10 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • coolshark
    coolshark

    If they were perfect, why did they "eat" of the tree of good and bad and why not from the tree of LIFE? Could it be that Satan was jealous of Eve when she was with Adam? I mean, before Eve came onto the scene , surely Satan spent some"quality" time with Adam showing him the ropes, etc. Why did he lie to Eve? He probably wanted to get rid of her, cause he developed feelings for Adam, mmmmm? Unfortuanately, things backfired on S when Eve gave Adam a taste of the "apple"....hehehehee!

    When Adam was busy naming the animals, surely he must've seen them making babies and that aroused certain physical feelings within him? Presto, God decided that it is a NO-NO for Adam to play with himself and created Eve. But, If he created Adam perfect (with SPERM and ALL) why did God wait so long for creating Eve or did he already know that Adam will get a mate? MMmmmmmm, very interesting? That is why I think Satan had the hots for Adam and was jealous over Eve. Did Satan have SEX with Adam? Who knows? ......Just thinking outloud!!!!

  • Guest 77
    Guest 77

    Really Coolshark, I think you are barking up the wrong tree. H e wanted the fruit from the cherry tree! Everything seemed cool before Eve came along. When Satan saw what Adam had, don't you think he wanted a piece of the action? That coincides with the preflood days when angles married the daughters (not the sons) of men.

    Guest 77

  • shotgun
    shotgun

    Adam was not that interested in Eve anyway

    If he was then where the hell was he when that perfect beautiful naked chick was wandering around the garden by herself, hanging out with a big snake to boot.

    Then he only bothers to have a few children and not even warn them of Satan or the consequences of disobedience to God.

    Yawn...Adam and Eve, the story falls apart like coffee cake when you really look at it.

  • Enishi
    Enishi

    The fact Adam & Eve come off as total morons is because the original story was never meant to be taken literally, unlike now.

  • JamesThomas
    JamesThomas

    Agree with enishi. There is wisdom within some of the Bible stories, if we relate them to ourselves, right here right now, rather than events regarding other people, places and times. For example: the eating of The Tree of Good and Evil is something most of us do continually; which results in our seemingly being cast out of the Garden of Eden/Heaven/our true Oneness with Divinity (the mind thinks it knows what these words are pointing to, but really it doesn't have a clue). The mind judges everything as either good or bad, as "me" or "not me". The mind fragments reality into endless pieces. All seemingly separate and apart from who I interpret myself to be. Eating from the tree, feeding on the mentally created universe of duality, causes much suffering as we intently believe ourselves into the tiny prison of a fragile and broken fragment cast adrift within a far larger and threatening universe. Eating from The Tree of Life on the other hand, signifies our stepping out of the minds mistaken interpretations, concepts, ideas and beliefs about life, and into the actual moment and expression of Life, here and now. When attention and focus is no longer on limited mental stories and interpretations -- all walls crumble. Fragmentation vanishes, and we discover we are not the tiny entity we believed ourselves to be, but rather the endless Oneness of it all. We, in a sense, discover there never really was an individual and broken "me", and find ourselves back in the Garden of Eden, or consciously aware of our True Identity. This all happens intimately within our own consciousness; which is what Jesus meant when he said "The Kingdom is within".

  • heathen
    heathen

    I tend to believe it as a literal account . The WTBTS claims they aren't sure about whether the tree was actually a tree but I really don't have a problem taking the story the way it is . The story makes eve out to be the bigger culprit as far as taking the fruit and giving it to adam to eat . I think the part that satan had going for him was when he said in the 24hr day that they weren't going to die but a day to them was 1000yrs . They didn't instantly die like it is apparent that eve was convinced of to begin with .

  • Aaron
    Aaron

    Coolshark,

    Peace be with you. Adam and Eve were not perfect. They were made "in the image of God" and there was no 'spot' no defect in them. They were also inexperienced and lacking knowledge, and because of this, the Father 'saw' in them that they had the potential to harm themselves. So the Father laid but one law upon them to 'protect the life' that he had created, from ITSELF.

    The Adversary wanted to destroy that life. So he lied to Eve and said "convincing" things that led her to believe that eating of the tree would make her greater than what she is. So she, out of greed, partook of the tree and became 'well-versed' in the knowledge of good and in the knowledge of bad. The knowledge of bad that she partook of was the knowledge of deciet, blasphemy, accusations, hate, envy, sickness, and even death. She offered the fruit to Ad-ham and he too received the knowledge. The "knowing" of bad was so great, so intense that the knowledge killed them in their flesh. They were unable to handle such knowledge and when they heard the voice of JAH, they hid themselves and eventually perished.

  • heathen
    heathen

    Aaron-- I don't think it was the knowelege of good and bad itself that killed them but the judgement against them from God . They could no longer eat from the tree of life when they were ousted from the garden . The story says that if they continued to eat from the tree of life they could live til times indefinite so there was an angel put on guard so they couldn't enter the garden again . The serpent did entice eve with cunning deciet , something they couldn't have experienced before that .

  • Gadget
    Gadget

    Welcome to the forum, coolshark and Aaron.

    But, If he created Adam perfect (with SPERM and ALL) why did God wait so long for creating Eve

    Did god plan all along to create Eve, and so just let Adam struggle along doing all the wrok on his own so that Eve could just enjoy the fruits of his labour? Or did he decide to create Eve because he saw a need in Adam for a mate, and so decided to alter his plan because of what he saw. If so, how would we know what else he's decided to alter based on what he's seen?

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    Here's an older post of mine from last year which is somewhat relevant:

    Well, the serpent did present an untruth in the form of a question when he asked Ishah: "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden?' " when in fact God did not. The presupposition is false, though the statement is not technically a lie since it is phrased as a question.

    Also Ishah (the woman) tinkers with the wording of the commandment. She adds a prohibition of touching to it, she reduces the severity of the punishment by deleting the part about dying "that very day," and represents God's generosity as mere permission. Her rewording ironically gets God off the hook, since in her version what God predicted did come to pass (being banished from the Tree of Life, she did die, but just not immediately).

    To the modern reader familiar with statements like "God is love" and "the devil is the father of the lie" God would seem to be incapable of lying. But the inherent division between good and evil in the nature of God and Satan is characteristic of later Judaism and Christianity, not of primitive pre-exilic Israelite religion. The Yahwist story of the Fall, like other primeveal legends in Genesis, is very much in the same spirit of other contemporary Near Eastern stories about the gods, where invariably they are presented as jealous, arbitrary, and intent on withholding man from divinity. This is the overarching theme in the Epic of Gilgamesh, where the hero's search for immortality is stymied by divine interventions. The myth about Etana similarly details the gods' prevention of the hero from flying to the vault to heaven.

    The seeming dishonesty of God in the story may be a thread of latent paganism in the story. In fact, the entire story smacks of Near Eastern mythology: the talking serpent, the winged figures guarding a sacred tree in Babylonian art, a garden of the gods, the plural "us" which God uses, the name Havvah "Eve" which is West Semitic for "serpent," and the title "Mother of all living" for Eve (cf. Aruru, the female creator of Adapa, the first man; KIB vi.1 Aruru zi-ir a-mi-lu-ti it-ti-shu ib-ta-nu "Aruru, together with him [Marduk], created (the) seed of mankind," vs. Gn. 4:2, "I have created a man with (the co-operation) of Yahweh"). In the original Canaanite/Phoenician version of the myth, God likely issued the commandment as a jealous ruse to withhold divinity from man instead of as a good-natured safeguard on the life of Adam. The serpent's motives were to disrupt the natural order and create conflict between man and the gods.

    One precursor of the tale may be the Babylonian legend of "Adapa and the South-wind," which incidentally was recorded in the 15th-century B.C. Tel el-Armana tablets and so the story was already well-known in Palestine prior to the emergence of Israel. Adapa, the son of the god Ea, was endowed by him with the fullness of divine wisdom, but denied the gift of immortality. Note that this is the reverse of Adam's status, who was given the fullness of immortality but denied divine wisdom. While plying the trade of a fisherman on the Persian Gulf, the south-wind overwhelms his bark, and in revenge Adapa breaks the wings of the south-wind. For this offence he is summoned by Anu to appear to appease the anger of Anu. Then the gods, disconcerted by finding a mortal in possession of their secrets, resolve to make the best of it, and admit him fully into their society by conferring on him immortality. The offer him the fruit of the tree of life so he may eat, and the water of life that he may drink. But Ea, who did not want Adapa to become a god like himself, deceived Adapa by telling him that what was being offered was really food and water of death, and strictly cautioned him to refrain from eating and drinking. He did refuse, and so missed immortal life. Anu asked him, "Why, Adapa, why have you not eaten nor drunk so you may live?" And Adapa replied, "Ea, my lord, commanded me, 'You must not eat nor drink, for I will die.' "

    Note how the commandment against eating is in fact a lie and is a self-serving ruse to deny divinity to man. The withholding of divinity is in fact a repeated theme in the primeveal stories of Genesis. In Gn. 6, the semi-divine Nephilim demigods introduced an element of disorder into the Creation which had to be eliminated by the Flood. In Gn. 11, the construction of a tower "with its top reaching heaven" threatened the domain of God and Yahweh saw that
    "this was but the beginning of their enterprise and now nothing will be impossible to them which they purpose to do," and the confusion of speech again prevents man from attaining equality with God.

    Within the context of pre-exilic Judaism, such stories were divested of their cruder polytheistic elements in order to make them impressive lessons on the folly of human pride and the supremacy of Yahweh in the affairs of men.

    Leolaia

    Leolaia

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