I have been feeding my very pimi brother tidbits and clippings of all the csa issues coming to light the last five years and all the org's business dealings of hundreds of closed halls congs dissolving etc. And reminding him of all the failed prophecies etc etc. Although he would listen and acknowledge. It has left him unfazed. He is as determined as ever to remain a faithful jdub. Just like the Nazi's that were killing Jews to the bitter end to prove to the world they were right so it will be with the majority of jdub's!
Expect 90% of pimi's to go down with the ship here's why
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Tameria2001
This sounds correct. When I left mom asked me why, and after I gave her my answer she told me that even if it was not the true religion she would always stay with it. She was also left unfazed by my reason, and the biggest one was 1975, the reason why she became a JW. My desire is that she is still alive when the Watchtower goes down.
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truth_b_known
I get it. Every great once in a while I hear about something that makes me think for a brief moment that maybe everything we were basically taught was true. I mean very basic - 1)There is a Jehovah and 2) there will be an Armageddon. Then I quickly switch to - 1)Even if there is, I won't worship because I don't want to live forever on Earth with only Jehovah's Witnesses. That would be a type of Hell.
I am basically saying is I get how a PIMI may see and accept all the wrong doing of the Watchtower, but still be afraid of losing their goal of everlasting life for leaving.
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LongHairGal
NOWWHAT?
You might be right. But, let these JWs in their stubbornness or sense of ‘loyalty’ go down with the figurative ship.
With all the cults and sects that have come and gone (Christadelphians, etc.) there were always going to be a small core of believers who stayed until they died. It didn’t change the outcome because the groups STILL went into obscurity.
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slimboyfat
Adherence to Nazi ideology in the Third Reich is a story of two contrasting parts, both of which somewhat surprising.
The first surprising thing is that the Germans kept on fighting for the regime to the bitter end, and well past the point at which it was clear, or should have been clear, that the Nazis were going to lose. In the final months of the war in 1945 even women and children joined the army to defend the fatherland, city by city, town by town, all the way to Berlin.
The second surprising thing is that, when the Nazis actually lost the war, the German people gave up the Nazi ideology without any struggle at all. The allies anticipated that an extensive programme of “de-Nazification” may be required to convince the German people to alter their views. In the event it wasn’t necessary because (West) Germany embraced democracy instantly with very few wishing to revive Nazism. The Germans accepted defeat, when it came, as a compete refutation of Nazi ideology without objection.
See Ian Kershaw’s excellent book The End: Germany 1944–45.
It might be similar with JWs. As long as the Org still exists, and is fighting for survival, it will maintain a loyal membership, no matter what the outside pressures. If on the other hand the Org was to collapse entirely, and suffer complete defeat, then people would walk away for the whole belief system entirely, not try to rebuild anything from the rubble.
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waton
the German people gave up the Nazi ideology without any struggle at all. The allies anticipated that an extensive programme of “de-Nazification” may be required to convince the German people to alter their views. In the event it wasn’t necessary because (West) Germany embraced democracy instantly with very few wishing to revive Nazism.
The Nazis in the 1920s had addressed different grievances in post WW1 Germany, and people had worked with the regime for their specific problems, lost ancestral homelands, economic depravation,--- but in the end fought on, at least in the east, to exact an as a great a price from the victors as possible, before the inevitable end. their expected personal death.
Similarly, there are many reasons why all jws are working with the abusive elders, the deluded leadership. It still works for them. People do not go from H2H to propagate, defend the overlapping generation last stand. Ladies have their microphone time, Elders their power trip, Young ones their comfort group. The hanger-ones their economic benefits.
There is no US airforce, Soviet army equivalent bearing down on wtBtS. inc.
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TheWonderofYou
There is no US airforce, Soviet army equivalent bearing down on wtBtS. inc.
However in the mind set of JWs has to be always be upheld a certain a fear of persecution from all sides. Without tue persecution komplex the fearmingering wird Armageddon ideology has little target.
German people gave up the Nazi ideology without any struggle at all.
Similarly JWs would say: "Some believed in that and that, but that was until the Slave Governing Body died off and got its heavenliy reward. It is not possible that so many died because they refused a lifesaving transfusion. It is not possible that they covered up crimes or Destroyed families We never did that. Anyway thats old trash. Now we go with the time."
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ToesUp
Yep, our family reacts the same way. Loyalty to the end!!! That is what cults do!!!
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JoenB75
Longhairgal,
Christadelphians are still around. I dont think they ever counted many. I was baptized Christadelphian less than 10 years ago. My stay was short as I was recruted by hardliners and quickly felt trapped.
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geodude
The second surprising thing is that, when the Nazis actually lost the war, the German people gave up the Nazi ideology without any struggle at all.
There's a phenomenon I read about recently- perhaps you're familiar with it, I can't seem to remember the psychological nomenclature- whereby NO one or only a few folks are entirely convinced of their shared belief system. But the group dynamic makes everyone want to one-up each other in demonstrations of belief. It's how you convince otherwise rational people to become vicious monsters- thereby deflecting attention away from doubts others may have about your commitment to the cause. I think by the end of WWII, a lot of Germans must have been disillusioned, but you never knew if your neighbor or your boss was going to rat you out, so you kept your doubts on hold and your right arm held up high...until the enforcement mechanism of your ideology was utterly destroyed.
I'm also reminded of a book "Red China Blues" about Canadian citizen Jan Wong, a Canadian of Chinese descent, who went to China as a starry-eyed Maoist in 1972 at the height of the Cultural Revolution. She gradually became disillusioned with the worker's paradise, and when free market reforms came in, she said it felt like she'd been the butt of a nationwide practical joke, where she was the only one who didn't get it. EVERYONE was lying through their teeth at factory criticism meetings, and smiling about how happy they were.