Can "The Truth" Lie?

by ros 11 Replies latest jw friends

  • ros
    ros

    Perhaps it is a matter of how one defines the words "truth" and "lie". The Watchtower Society certainly permits their flock to hold some unique definitions of common words the rest of us take for granted. For example, consider what we know to be Jehovah's Witnesses' general understanding of a few terms which might be defined thus:

    TRUTH:
    "Truth, The" - 1) The Watchtower Society of Jehovah's Witnesses formerly headquartered in Brooklyn NY, USA; 2) any of their teachings, past and present.

    "truth" - 1) Anything stated in Watchtower literature; 2) "present light" revealed by Jehovah God to the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, to which everlasting life is contingent upon the strictest adherence until such time as the "present truth" is superseded by "new truth", even though the former "truth" may remain in effect until the "new truth" is published to the general flock in "due season" (e.g., held in reserve to excite the next Jehovah's Witness district assembly); 3) meat.

    "old truth" - That which was truth but is no longer truth, having been superseded by "new truth", distinguished from "lie", "error", or "mistake" by reason of having formerly been "truth".

    "new truth" - That which supersedes "old truth". Syn. "present truth".

    Apostacy - 1) Disagreement with any present teaching of the Watchtower Society; 2) Leaving (or not leaving) Jehovah's Witnesses by reason of disagreement with their teachings; 3) Researching, speaking, or otherwise discovering truth before it is revealed to the Governing Body and sanctioned by Ted Jaracz.

    Apostate - 1) a former Jehovah's Witness; 2) A person baptized as a Jehovah's Witness who later discovers the Watchtower's dictionary differs from Webster's.

    LYING:
    Now consider this definition of the word "lie":
    'A lie is defined as "1. a false statement or action, especially one made with intent to deceive . . . 2. anything that gives or is meant to give a false impression." The intention is to cause others to believe something that the liar knows is not the truth. By lies or half-truths, he strives to deceive those who are entitled to know the truth.'

    Not a bad definition. The source?-The Watchtower, 12/15/92, page 22, in an article titled: "Why Is It So Easy to Lie?"
    (Heh! :-D))
    (They don't identify the source of their quote. Nevertheless, the writer presents a fair definition of "lie" similar to that of Webster and popular definition.) Considering that a "lie" is essentially the opposite of "truth", perhaps the uniqueness of the Watchtower's definition of "truth" is all the more remarkable for its absence of comparable expressions for "lie"; such as "old lies", "new lies", "present lies", in regard to "the light getting brighter" (or would dimmer be more appropriate for "lies". :-)

    Further along (page 23), the article states:
    "Truth is the standard our great Creator has set for all. His written Word, the Bible, states at Hebrews 6:18 that "it is impossible for God to lie." . . . "This truthful God requires us to live by his standards in order to receive his approval. His inspired Word commands us: "Do not be lying to one another. Strip off the old personality with its practices." (Colossians 3:9) People who refuse to quit the practice of lying are not acceptable to him; they will not receive his gift of life. In fact, Psalm 5:6 says frankly that God "will destroy those speaking a lie." Revelation 21:8 further says that the portion of "all the liars" is "the second death," which is eternal destruction. So our accepting God's view of lying gives us strong reason to speak the truth."

    Most interesting article-all about lying! Those with older volumes or CD should read it. In fact, the Governing Body should read it; they obviously did not write it.

    SHUNNING:
    Now consider the Watchtower Society's claims as to the reason Jehovah's Witnesses disfellowship and shun-that being, to "keep Jehovah's organization clean". And with that in mind, consider the experience of SilentLambs a little ways down the board. Does it seem there is some congregational deception going on? I mean, if one is presumably so unworthy as to be shunned, aren't they supposed to be "put out of the congregation" (disfellowshipped)? And if they are not disfellowshipped, but remain in the congregation without any hearing or disciplinary action, then why are they being shunned? So if there are members being shunned within the congregation, is the organization "clean", according to the Watchtower specification? (A scan of the words "clean organization" on the CD shows that the Watchtower claims over and over to be "clean" and intending to remain so. So if they claim the organization is "clean", but do not disfellowship members deemed to be "wrong-doers", is it not a lie to claim the organization is clean, according to their definition? Would a "clean" organization have a situation of shunning among brothers and sisters. And if a member is considered to be sinning, are they not obliged to follow Jesus' instruction to confront the sinner by one, then two or more witnesses, then before the whole congregation, before supposedly shunning them?

    When it comes to disfellowshipping and shunning, the Watchtower is notorious for lying, and they know it. They fragrantly lied when Ray Franz was disfellowshipped-and admitted as much in private conversations. Come on, who believes for a second that Ray was disfellowshipped for having lunch with a disassociated person, his employer at the time, a professed Christian, prior to the time when shunning was even an issue for disassociated members? My brother who attended the school for elders in the early 80s was at a lunch table with Al Schroeder and asked him about the lunch story of Ray's DFing. Schroeder replied that the decision to DF Ray had actually been made before he ever left Bethel. But, because of Ray's long service and rank on the GB, the Watchtower lawyers advised that he might have legal recourse if he was disfellowshipped from the Governing Body. However, if he voluntarily resigned (which they practically forced him to do under false pretense), and then gave a small severance pay ($10,000), and if he accepted it, they would be subject to no further liability from him. (Turned out to be no doubt the dumbest mistake they ever made in their history-but good for us!) But where was the Scriptural premise? The point is the WTS lie, lie, lie whenever it suits them. (Look at their deception with the Bulgarian blood policy.)

    Now if the Watchtower reeeally wanted to get the "organization clean", they would stop the shunning nonsense, and follow Jesus' instruction to treat a "sinner" removed from the congregation "as a gentile or tax collector". (Realize, the Jews did not shun gentiles and tax collectors. Matthew himself was a tax collector.) Jehovah's Witnesses know very well that if they stopped shunning, a large number of their membership would fall away. Now if a "clean" organization were their aim, what could be better than all those closet "apostates" pulling out of the congregation. What a house-cleaning that would be! Conclusion: they're lying again when they claim that disfellowshipping and shunning are lovingly imposed to "keep the Organization clean". In fact, precisely the opposite it true-it is intended to hold the opposition captive within!

    So do we see even the slightest indication toward positive reform on unScriptural shunning and advocating desertion of family members who just happen to have a different belief about God? Not at all! In fact, the policy is being expanded now to shun even some within the organization.

    It does present an interesting situation: How does one who is being shunned, but has not been charged with any sin, repent? Disfellowshipped people can apply for reinstatement by reason of repentance from what they were disfellowshipped for. What recourse is open to an active member who is being shunned, but has been charged with no sin? What does the congregation hope to achieve?-to drive the victims further into the closet of anonymity for their beliefs and principles, to make an example of any who would dare to question? Jehovah's Witnesses don't want a clean organization, they want mindless conformity. And the Watchtower wants numbers, money and power, like any other corporate conglomerate. If they really cared about a "clean organization", or "truth", they would stop the shunning. But they don't.

    Ros

  • Francois
    Francois

    Roz, that was a fine piece of reasoning, discovery, and expose.

    If more people though like you, the WTBTS would have no members left at all.

    If shunning were to stop, the only people left in the Borg would be:

    1. Old folk whose entire social support system is based there.
    2. Elders whose entire self-image is wrapped up in exercising power over others, even if it is only old folk who have nowhere else to go.
    3. Young idealists blinded by their own misplaced ideals.

    Everyone else would be at the spontaneous street party that would erupt. There would be book-bag burnings. WT bonfires. Elders would be tarred and feathered. Beer would be consumed. And we'd have to protect the little ones from the pedophiles, who after identification, could be drawn and quarterd and the pieces strewn about the kingdom.

    Francois

  • Fire
    Fire

    Ros,
    To answer your question: NO, the Truth cannot lie.
    Prv14:5 A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies.

    Fire

  • waiting
    waiting

    hello Fire,

    Welcome to our forum. As to the word and perception of *truth* - it can be viewed differently by different times & people.

    Remember the idea of germs? Doctors didn't believe they existed. In their realm of truth at that time - they were speaking the truth as they knew it. When they knew differently, and were convinced of such, their concept of the truth about germs changed.

    However, the truth of germs never changed as there always were germs. The concept or view of germs changed.

    With the WTBTS, they coined the phrase *The Truth*. They change it at will - because it's their concept as they view it. Is it a bonafide true Truth - such as germs existing? In that case, no.

    Depends on how one defines *The Truth*, don't you think? Ros defined it as defined by the WTBTS - not a scientific truth. The WTBTS has it's own dictionary. I seriously doubt if Websters would have "The Truth" in there - or that it's owned and preached exclusively by the WTBTS - and all others are liars led by Satan the Devil.

    The WTBTS also coined the humorous phrase *tacking* - as a ship whose going back and forth, back and forth - zig zagging - but ultimately keeping on course. They say they do that - zig zag. That would be a truth, don't you think? As for ultimately keeping on course - that can't be proven - therefore, just the WTBTS speculating or doing more religious public relations.

    Nice to meet you.

    waiting

  • Thirdson
    Thirdson

    Hi Ros,

    Welcome to this board. Your thoughts are very beneficial to us here. Finding out that "the thruth" was a lie was the big shock to me. I knew there were issues and problems within the members of the org and seen the deceipt practiced by the WTS and individual elders but for a long time I was too involved and too conditioned not to see the obvious. The exlosion of information that became available on the Internet, the history of lies, lies by leaders on trial, lies about letters to Hitler, lies about 1914, lies about blood, lies in mis-quoting people, lies in child-custody cases, lies to the European Court and lies in letters to congregations killed "the Truth" for me.

    I strongly objected to the term "the Truth" when my dad asked if I had left it and that is what prompted me to tell all.

    How can you leave truth? I only left the lies.

    Thirdson

    'To avoid criticism, say nothing, do nothing, be nothing'

  • jurs
    jurs

    hi thirdson
    i never heard about the "lies, letters written to Hitler" . whats that all about? jurs

  • COMF
    COMF

    I'm like Thirdson. What he said.

    They fragrantly lied when Ray Franz was disfellowshipped

    Ah yes, I remember that odor.

    COMF

  • Mulan
    Mulan

    Hi Ros!! Are you the Ros I met two weeks ago?

  • ros
    ros

    H'lo, COMF:
    Sorry about the fragrant typo--it was somewhere around 2 am, and the spell-checker didn't flag that one. :-)

    Ros

  • ros
    ros

    Hey, Mulan! Now I recognize you!
    Yeh, its me. The more I think about that little get-together, the more it was a good fun time. :-)
    Great to meet you folks.

    Blessings,
    Ros

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