Australian bethelites helped the war and soldiers during W.W.2!!

by Witness 007 12 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Witness 007
    Witness 007

    Australia bethel is even today near a military barracks. In world war 2 the head of bethel agreed to wash military uniforms at bethel to make extra cash. Meanwhile brothers around the world were in jail for refusing to even put on a military uniform or even perform any non military work. Hypocrisy? Yeah. Yearbook 1983 page 63 explains Rutherford recieving many complaints and came to visit and saw nothing wrong with the cash flow situation!

    Many left the truth for this breach of neutrality. In 1947 Nathan Knorr came and fired the branch servant and stopped this. Page 97 Knorr gave a talk at the Convention saying...."We confess that during the war we put our hands to the iniquity of this world at war...we put Gods properties to use in the war effort...violating true neutrality..."

  • joe134cd
    joe134cd

    That Aussie bethel also sits on some very valuable land.

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    Umm, some things need correction.

    The main contention that the JWs back there compromised their neutrality is essentially true, But I'd like to point out some problems in the posts.

    1. In the period, 1939-1945, the branch home (Bethel) was located in Strathfield, less than 15 km from Sydney CBD. That move was in 1929, was well before WW2. Maybe, it was the move to Strathfield that was responsible for the subsequent 'commercialisation' of the organisation. (I began to associate with the witnesses somewhere around 1950. Took me a while to become convinced enough to get baptised in 1953) There were still lots of witnesses around to talk about the 'old' days. The common consensus was that after buying the Strathfield property they had no money to do anything. The did have a guillotine, and were offered a chance to cut up some paper by someone. They did - for payment and that's how it all started. But maybe in the aussie way of doing things, it soon got out of hand, with fulltime service brothers, getting involved in all sorts of building projects.

    There were also some radio stations that also began to sell commercial advertising. Of course, that involved becoming friends with people who wanted to advertise their products, So the brothers who sold the advertising would put on weekend parties, with everyone getting paralytic drunk. In later years I pioneered in Newcastle, the home of 2HD (still in existence, but no longer owned by the WTS) and many old brothers and sisters could tell stories about the parties at 2HD.

    I'll post later about the WTS property at Ingleburn, which the earlier posts confused with the earlier Strathfield branch

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    Continuing my first post:

    2. I knew some witnesses who had lived through those days. An elderly sister (name forgotten) had been the branch overseer's secretary. His name was MacGillivary. She wouldn't (rightly or wrongly) hear a word against him.

    MacGillivary had the distinction of being shot by an army sentry at Strathfield Bethel. To explain this, I'll first use this quote from another source. It outlines my understanding ot the times.

    Quote: "In the concern for national security, a Federal Government order was issued in January 1941 that 'any body, corporate or unincorporate...prejudicial to the defence of the Commonwealth or efficient prosecution of the war, is thereby declared to be unlawful' (Gillman 1988) . On this basis, Commonwealth authorities moved to dissolve the organisation. Meetings, printing and the circulation of the Society's publications was prohibited and the office, factory and warehouse of the Jehovah's Witnesses in Strathfield, New South Wales, was seized. Nonetheless, the Society continued during this period, meeting in homes and door knocking using only the Bible. Despite restrictions, the movement held its national convention in 1941 with delegates travelling from all over Australia, some even using cars with charcoal-fed gas producers." end of quote.

    Source: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/95532/early-australian-history-jehovahs-witnesses

    As a result of that order. the Australian army was sent to occupy the Strathfield Bethel. But the Bethel family were allowed to continue living there. MacGillivary came home late one night, and was challenged by the sentry.. MacGillivary made a silly flippant remark and the sentry responded by shooting him. I'm not interested in arguing either way over the rights and wrongs of that incident.

    In 1943, the WTS was able take their case to the Australian High Court which found that the ban was Unconstitutional.

    Some brothers refused commercial assignments. Bill and Linda Schneider were sent to the Aussie backblocks for refusing to take charge of some commercial project. Ironically Bill was a veteran from WW1.

    Is criticism of the Australian branch and brothers justified? Knorr came to Australia as soon as possible after WW2 ended and was extremely critical of the commercial activities. Most people I knew (high and low) followed Knorr's line. I did too, but now I think that they were wrong too. If Paul could work for a living, why couldn't a small group of a few thousand (not many rich in it then) do commercial work. Some of that work, at least, would have been beneficial to Australia (just as paying taxs today would be). Most able-bodied men would have been in the army so there would have been a shortage of tradesmen.

    Next post we can look at the 'bethel' near an army camp.

  • Witness 007
    Witness 007

    Thanks for your views I got my information from the yearbook

  • Witness 007
    Witness 007

    With the money they made prostituting there faith they bought the Inglburne property.

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

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    fulltimestudent

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  • Rivergang
    Rivergang

    During WWII, the WTS in Australia was heavily -almost exclusively- involved in commercial activities. These included “Kingdom Farms”, one of which was located at Oxley, in Queensland. (This property was also immediately adjacent to the Archerfield Aerodrome, which was used during the war as an airbase. That fact helped fuel rumours that the JWs were “German spies”).

    In addition to such as neutrality-violating activities as laundering army uniforms, the WTS also operated canteens for military personnel. According to some who were “in the truth” during those years, such commercial activities even went as far as printing what today would be classed as “soft porn” literature - no doubt intended for a military clientele.

    The only moral compass in place during those years appeared to be “ Anything to make a quid”.

  • Witness 007
    Witness 007

    River gang thanks! I heard the branch leader loved betting on horses and making big cash which made Rutherford love him.

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