Does Christianity Promote Self Hatred?

by Brokeback Watchtower 17 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  LoveUniHateExams

  Now we know we are simply another animal on this planet that has drives to survive, to gather stuff around us so we don't starve or freeze to death and also to reproduce, it becomes clear we don't have sins just animal instincts - this. Just this.

  And this ... We're not broken, we don't need saving. We need loving parents who help us to fill our needs and teach us how to live around other people so that our needs don't conflict with theirs and cause pain. That's what we need, not religion telling us we're broken and need fixing, anymore than a kitten or puppy is broken, they're just new.
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  Island Man

  Yes, I'd say that a religion that encourages its followers to consider themselves as being "good-for-nothing slaves" with bodies enslaved to sin's law and who should disown themselves and despise their family and their own life for the sake of Jesus, definitely promotes self hatred.
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  EverApostate

  Obviously, it does. Jesus told to hate oneself (and his family) and come after him.
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  Brokeback Watchtower

  interesting video about Nietzsche and starting at around minute 37 his ideas about slave morality are discussed. Nietzsche father was an minister in the Lutheran church but died early in his son's life and even Nietzsche had aspirations of becoming one.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzcD-LCKuNs
  
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  Cold Steel

  Their teachings that man is sinful and worthy of death and in need of a savior to rescue him and free him of his sinful tendencies or else feel the wrath of God.

  This is only one of the iterations of Christianity. It's not a biblical teaching, nor will you see any of the apostles that taught it. John wrote:

  2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
  3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
  4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
  5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

  1 John 3:2-5

  Man is not "deserving" of Hell. Christianity teaches that through Adam all men fell. But through Christ, all men would be made alive. In other words, man is created with a type of safety net. Without Christ, we would indeed be lost, without God and without a place in His creations. Christ, however, saves even the worst sinner after he has paid the price of his own sins.

  Many Christians are speaking of man's fate without Christ and they assume sinners don't have that safety net. But yes, part of the reason we're placed on Earth is to combat our own natural tendencies to do evil. Through Christ, man achieves the ability to become like God.
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  jp1692

  Duh!
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  Brokeback Watchtower

  CS,

  Their teachings that man is sinful and worthy of death and in need of a savior to rescue him and free him of his sinful tendencies or else feel the wrath of God.

  This is only one of the iterations of Christianity. It's not a biblical teaching, nor will you see any of the apostles that taught it.
  

  Well I wouldn't want to do any biblical hop scotching to make each individual point so I just said it in as little words as possible or in a nut shell if you prefer.

  Thank for the added scripture it adds some depth to our discussion of how the bible promotes these ideologies of self hatred of our own inherited nature as something sinful and to be done away with.

  Many Christians are speaking of man's fate without Christ and they assume sinners don't have that safety net. But yes, part of the reason we're placed on Earth is to combat our own natural tendencies to do evil. Through Christ, man achieves the ability to become like God.

  Well I understand that to be your reality tunnel, That you have a sinful body that you must conquer to be like God(whatever that is?).

  You must realize I'm sure that evil is not some universal thing "out there" but what we think is evil due to our programing or religious indoctrination as to what is Evil.

  So that what we have been programed to think of as evil may in fact not be evil at all but merely our human drives that made our survival possible. Thus the better our understanding of this the better can harness those drives for ourselves and others good as well. Suppressing them because we think them evil is not the way to get mastery over them, unbiased understanding of them opens the way not denial.
  
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  Cold Steel

  Brokeback WT » I wouldn't want to do any biblical hop scotching to make each individual point so I just said it in as little words as possible or in a nut shell if you prefer.

  Nevertheless, it's one of the more repulsive doctrines we see coming out of the Protestant movement and is one of the hallmarks of Calvinism. The idea that the Father has given the Son a number of souls worthy of salvation and everyone else is lost except those souls has been hotly debated in the Protestant movement.

  Not every branch of Christianity has bought into this self-hatred aspect of the religion, but certainly whole segments have and when they show us what HELL is like, it's not only self hatred but God hatred as well.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQQOa10O_BE