I conclude evolution is guided (page 5)

KateWild

"why" is simple: you already chose the conclusion and now try to twist the facts and reasoning to reach it to somehow make the concept of god necessary. - Simon

Hey Simon, Time for Canada to join in. Well your statement is the best yet. And it's something I do question about myself. Am I biased? I try to look at the facts impartially and then draw my conclusions, and I like to think I am being impartial, but I cannot with a good conscience say I am totally impartial.

But I think that is true for everyone, we all have some kind of bias and the facts then fit our bias. I was at a point in my life where I did not know what I believed and I was truly unbiased, and then formed my opinions

I agree with you that I could be biased as are people who draw the opposite conclusion. We are all just confirming our bias. Would you agree?

notsurewheretogo

Evidence can be subjective sometimes when it's not 100 % conclusive. That's where free thinking comes into play.

Right but again I ask WHAT evidence points you to the conclusion that evolution is guided barring your OP?

I'm finding you are being evasive about this...provide references please that relate to your point of view as to why you conclude what you conclude...it just can't be your OP?

I am interested in the building blocks of the conclusion that evolution was guided.

redpilltwice

Katewild > I draw the conclusion that a Creator could be responsible for guiding the process, others may feel this is evidence of evolution without external guidance.
What do you think?

I think you made a good point and "could" is a well chosen word ;-)

I think homochirality is a millstone around the neck of abiogenesis.

I think the first proteins couldn't arise from a primordial soup with only racemic ingredients.

konceptual99

Looks like we are going round in circles. It seems you are not really interested in understanding my perspective. I started this thread to explain my conclusions and I have done that.

Er... no you haven't. I am very interested in your perspective but you keep stonewalling any questions that seek to understand why you have come to your conclusion. You used a very specific example yet all you have explained is that you think the process could be being guided by God. You haven't answered why you think that conclusion is more probable and what your reasoning was that led you to that conclusion. The fact that I keep asking for more information is proof I am very interested in understanding your perspective.

As I have already said to Bhom, in my view it's more probable.

Why is is it more probable?

I don't want to convince people that my view is correct. I want to encourage free thinking. Science has the facts and science is impartial. People then are free draw their own conclusions.

Whatever you say I am still free to draw my own conclusion.
An avowed atheist might say "I have drawn the conclusion that natural selection is a valid and reasonable explanation for all the molecules being left handed because the hypothesis is not disproven by the facts and follows the pattern of scientific explanation for many, many other and similar bio-chemical processes."
You are currently saying ""I have drawn the conclusion that guidance from a deity is a valid and reasonable explanation for all the molecules being left handed" and there it seems to stop. There is no "because" and when asked for your reason you claim the your statement is reason enough, just go off and make your own mind up.
I can still make my mind up. I still don't understand how you made yours up and I really, really, really am really, really, really interested to do so.

KateWild

I'm finding you are being evasive about this...provide references please that relate to your point of view as to why you conclude what you conclude...it just can't be your OP? - Notsure

I apologise if you feel I am being evasive. But I feel your questions are off topic. This thread is about my conclusion based on the formation of enantiomers in nature. I encourage you to do your own research, I don't understand why you need to know everything about all my conclusions. I have made 6151 posts and started 147 topics.

In all these posts I have had discussions about why I draw certain conclusions, about different subjects. Feel free to have a look at them and really get to know me. That's great. But I am not a solution to your inquisitive mind, I cannot guide you to reach the same conclusions as me. I don't like preachers of any kind, Christians, Atheists, Conservatives, Liberals or vegetarians. So I am not convincing anyone of anything.

If you have something specific you have read in my history that you want more clarification on please send me a PM or resurrect the thread in question. I will be happy to respond.

KateWild

I think homochirality is a millstone around the neck of abiogenesis. I think the first proteins couldn't arise from a primordial soup with only racemic ingredients. - redpill

I agree with your statement about abiogenesis. I am not qualified in that area, but it is another example of the facts being only partially conclusive. I also agree with your statement about the primordial soup, the conditions had to be exactly right to evolve enantiomers.

Thanks for your opinions.

Vidiot

Personally, I could care less if someone attributes evolution to a higher power's influence, as long as they accept the fact that it's obviously true and realize that the Genesis creation narrative simply isn't literal history (which, IMO, is the only real obstacle to accepting evolution, anyway).

KateWild

You used a very specific example yet all you have explained is that you think the process could be being guided by God. - K99

I did not state this anywhere on this thread. If you think I did please show me.

The fact that I keep asking for more information is proof I am very interested in understanding your perspective. - K99

It can also be proof that you're trying to prove me wrong, and I don't play those games.

An avowed atheist might say "I have drawn the conclusion that natural selection is a valid and reasonable explanation for all the molecules being left handed because the hypothesis is not disproved by the facts and follows the pattern of scientific explanation for many, many other and similar bio-chemical processes." - K99

Is this what you're saying K99?

I have drawn the conclusion that evolution is guided and is a valid and reasonable explanation for all the molecules being left handed because the hypothesis is not disproved by the facts.

Nothing has been proved or disproved. If you have proof by all means start a thread and share your proof.

I still don't understand how you made yours up and I really, really, really am really, really, really interested to do so. - K99

There are things I don't understand too, it's all a matter of getting yourself better educated in the topic if it's so important to you, but I don't believe you're interested at all.

KateWild

Personally, I could care less if someone attributes evolution to a higher power's influence, as long as they accept the fact that it's obviously true and realize that the Genesis creation narrative simply isn't literal history (which, IMO, is the only real obstacle to accepting evolution, anyway). - Vidiot

I agree, the Genesis account is a false teaching if people actually believe it, and I also agree that it's the only obstacle to accepting evolution. As far as the UK schools teach evolution not the Genesis account, so no real obstacles there.

notsurewheretogo

But I feel your questions are off topic

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The topic title is "I conclude evolution is guided"...you state one point of view...others state they come up with a different conclusion based on your topic in the OP...which you agree they can easily come to.

All I ask is what makes you "conclude" that evolution is guided...its ok if you don't want to respond...I was just interested in how you arrived at that conclusion...or arrived as to why it is more probable...no big deal...I can see we won't get answer from you on this so happy to leave it.

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