UC Berkeley orders cancellation of Ann Coulter speech

by freemindfade 115 Replies latest social current

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  Simon

  Like the man who punched an anti-Trump protestor at a Trump speech who was being escorted out?

  And rightly prosecuted for it. Idiots going to purposefully disrupt other people's meetings are idiots too. We have the right to protest and object to anything the WTS does, going into their meetings and being disruptive is crossing the line. It would also be wrong for them to respond with violence but when you do stupid, you take that risk - they went there to provoke that type of reaction.

  Like the hundreds of hate crimes carried out by them before any of this.

  Crimes that are committed by idiots on both sides. More crime by one side right now though (as always). You might not like to admit it, but there is little neo-nazi violence in reality (in the US, of course there has been actual fascism elsewhere).

  Of course there were lots of claims and reports of it during the last election, churches burned down and swastikas painted. But sadly for the left (and rarely reported by the liberal media with the same vigour they report the 'crime'), it was often fake news ... done by people on the left (drawing the swastika the wrong way is a typical give-away).

  Hijabs being torn off? Didn't happen (but the people being attacked by hijab-wearing thugs did).

  "Black man burns down own church and paints "niggas" on it in an attempt to make Trump supporters look bad" to quote just one CNN report they failed to write to correct their own misrepresentations.

  As I've said and continue to repeat, The right-wing started this fight.

  No, they didn't - learn some basic history so you don't make yourself look like a complete fool.

  The party of intimidation and violence has always been the democrats. They are the party of the clan / the KKK. They have literally murdered thousands of black and whites - anyone who stood against their racism and control.

  And now you have the cheek to point your finger and say "it's them, they started it".
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  MeanMrMustard

  @simon:

  I gave your post a thumbs up, and then took it away ... just so that I could feel the satisfaction of liking it again.

  MMM
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  Berengaria

  There were indeed white nationalist groups at the April 15th tax march in Berkeley. Extremist groups from right and left love Berkeley. The AntiFa chick was punched in the face by one.

  As for Free Speech, I think something between the USA and Canada is probably the most reasonable. That's my personal opinion. I see it as a matter of how far can you go in exercising your rights before you begin to infringe on another's. Or become dangerous. Some of you that are so outraged about this issue, how would you react to a group of Muslims having a parade on Main St. and waving banners espousing Muslim pride, and talking hatefully about the infidels? How about Black Lives Matter?

  Ann Coulter is hardly having her free speech infringed upon because she couldn't take the stage in Berkeley. Not to mention they reconsidered and decided to go ahead with her appearance, but she refused. Perfect opportunity for her to make the rounds with this phony outrage on the right.

  The very name AntiFa makes it clear it is a reaction to Fascism so quite obviously the Fascism came first.

  Simon, please, you know that the parties did a complete reversal of place over the last 100 years. That was more about the South than the party. Republicans have been purposely cultivating the South and that particular hatred since Nixon. The Southern Strategy.
  
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  Berengaria

  "You might not like to admit it, but there is little neo-nazi violence in reality (in the US, of course there has been actual fascism elsewhere)."

  They have a long history of extreme violence in this country.
  
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  Simon

  Some of you that are so outraged about this issue, how would you react to a group of Muslims having a parade on Main St. and waving banners espousing Muslim pride, and talking hatefully about the infidels? How about Black Lives Matter?

  The real comparison is whether it would be right if people who disagree with their views attacked them and prevented them from speaking through the threat of violence and intimidation. Oh, I forgot - that's what they do!

  Right now, it's their side who most often interfere with other people's right to speak and the platforms they have organized. Ironically, stopping Bernie Saunders speaking at rallies in the democratic primaries - good job, how dd that all work out for you?

  Ann Coulter is hardly having her free speech infringed upon because she couldn't take the stage in Berkeley.

  Yes, she is. Because she was invited and they are imposing their views on someone else's platform and through intimidation and threats of violence, silencing her opinion.

  Not to mention they reconsidered and decided to go ahead with her appearance, but she refused. Perfect opportunity for her to make the rounds with this phony outrage on the right.

  I would refuse if my personal safety could not be guaranteed. The police in some of these places appear to do less than nothing with these thugs. People have been physically assaulted / attacked and campus officials haven't punished anyone for it even though they have been clearly identified (described in Sam Harris' latest podcast).

  The very name AntiFa makes it clear it is a reaction to Fascism so quite obviously the Fascism came first.

  Are you for real? It's just a name. They are not even anti fascist, they are anti non-extreme-left. They are anti-middle. They are anti-not-people-exactly-like-us.

  you know that the parties did a complete reversal of place over the last 100 years. That was more about the South than the party. Republicans have been purposely cultivating the South and that particular hatred since Nixon. The Southern Strategy.

  That assumes that the republicans are now "the party of the clan" but I do not see that and the number of "fascist" extreme right / white supremacists is tiny.

  The republicans generally aren't as keen on giving handouts and pander to minority communities like the dems do but the dems only do it because they want to take advantage of them for their votes. Their actual policies have been terrible and more devastating to those communities than anyone's have.

  You really think Clinton "loves" black people and goes to visit the black inner-city communities other than when there's an election year?

  They have a long history of extreme violence in this country

  That long history of extreme violence is mostly by the democrats. The KKK were originally described as "the military wing of the democratic party"

  But you keep believing that they are there to fight fascists.

  "Not all democrats were members of the KKK, but all members of the KKK were democrats"

  Yes, the parties have switched to some degree, but don't forget that while Civil Rights was taking off and MLK was marching, the places turning fire-hoses and dogs on them weren't run by the republicans ...
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  Berengaria

  Geezus Simon we may as well debate Protestants and Catholics in Elizabethan England.
  

  I have no dog in this fight. I think both sides of this bs are extremist idiots. But don't try to say that there is little neo Nazi violence, and then in the same post say they murdered literally thousands just so you can add Democrats to the end of the sentence. Your disingenuousness is showing.
  
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  Simon

  we may as well debate Protestants and Catholics in Elizabethan England

  Well, if someone starts making claims that "the Protestants started it" then it would be appropriate to, wouldn't it?

  Or do we just wind history back up to the point that "our" side started being "the good guys". But we forget everything before than. Is that how it works?
  

  Your side are the ones trying to argue that there are hundreds of thousands of neo nazi fascists killing people at the behest of Fox news and that they were the ones who "started it all".

  I am merely show how utterly retarded and incorrect those views are.

  Still no one has pointed to the evidence that the American branch of the third reich is alive and well and killing thousands and that it's vital that the "brave antifa" smash up coffee shops to stop them.

  Newsflash: evoking nazism doesn't win any arguments or convince people of anything anymore. You overplayed that card.

  The fact is that the left has most of the violent thugs and ugly behavior right now, just as in the past. I guess they just can't let go of some approaches.
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  freemindfade

  
  
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  nonjwspouse

  Berengaria Ann Coulter decided not to walk into a situation where the police were told, TOLD to stay way and not get involved.

  She would be an idiot to walk into those violent people with one agenda.
  
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  Simon

  Berengaria Ann Coulter decided not to walk into a situation where the police were told, TOLD to stay way and not get involved.

  At the last Berkeley riots they were attacking people in vehicles who, to possibly save their own lives, had to drive on with people battering and jumping on their vehicles, trying to smash windows etc...

  The police charged no one for the attacks but wanted to find the drivers to charge them.

  I would have no hesitation driving over anyone doing that. My only regret would be if I had a car instead of a truck and a truck instead of a semi.