by liam 9 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1kr9vi4/watchtower_august_2025_new_teaching_the_hailstone/
...So there is an end...and a "final" end...and Revelation 16:21 clearly says the hailstones fall from Heaven, or in some translations "the sky", wouldn't this suggest an action of God himself rather than a human endeavor?
From a purely Scriptural viewpoint, (via the NWT) the final preaching work won't be done by an org! 😄
(Revelation 11:3) "I will cause my two witnesses to prophesy for 1,260 days dressed in sackcloth.”
(Revelation 14:6, 7) "And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare to those who dwell on the earth, to every nation and tribe and tongue and people.* He was saying in a loud voice: “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of judgment by him has arrived, so worship the One who made the heaven and the earth and the sea and the springs of water.”
* These nations, tribes, tongues & peoples aren't gonna be reached by trollies!
(Revelation 5:9) ...and with your blood you bought persons for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
(Revelation 7:9) ...and, look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues...
(Revelation 10:11) “You must prophesy again with regard to peoples and nations and tongues. . .
(Revelation 11:9) And those of the peoples and tribes and tongues and nations . . .
(Revelation 13:7) ...and authority was given it over every tribe and people and tongue and nation.
(Revelation 14:6) And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people,
(Revelation 17:15) And he says to me: “The waters that you saw, where the harlot is sitting, mean peoples and crowds and nations and tongues.
Preaching continues after Babylon the Great falls
Thought that already happened. Of course, you wouldn't suspect that based on the church attendance in our area. Nor on the sudden change of all the right wingers into Bible Thumpers.
Preaching continues after Babylon the Great falls
Babble-On The Great Has Fallen
Is there a judgement message or isn’t there?
they want to sit on the fence with this one
Someone's not entirely given up on the idea of the message becoming "hard-hitting", though. Romans 2:4
Use your time wisely instead of analyzing this sect doctrines 🤣
G.
Lots of adjustments here, I think many jws are oblivious, older ones heads just spun, and new ones don't even know the old info. People who preached this for years, will have a hard time making the "adjustment" by the WTS. More to come I'm sure.
They have gone back and forth repeatedly over the years, trotting out this "judgement message" stuff, then letting it fade. In the late 80s, possibly after convention talks a number of people in our congregation were making statements such as "One day 'The Society" will announce that the preaching work is finished!" and "One day our message will change from one of Good News to one of Judgement!"
Then for years after there was a Public Talk Outline, (and sorry I don't know the title, but I heard the talk numerous times) which stated "The Preaching Work will Not stop..." and " Our message will Not change!"
I think this came up again each time we studied the 'Revelation - Its Grand Climax at Hand' book because of the prophecy about the great hailstones falling (Rev. 16:21)
More recently it came up again in regard to those Convention videos that came to be known as "The Bunker" videos, with a group of Witnesses hiding in a basement sharing experiences. One brother was said to have fallen away "when our message changed"...
There's no consistent view of anything....if there ever was....
Can recall, probably late 1980s doing a long street of door-to-door work with a brother, not getting much response. As we walked along he said "Y'know, someday we're going to be coming back to these same houses and saying " Too bad guys, you had your chance!"
I was pretty shy, but appalled by this, I stopped walking and said, "Well, if we do, I don't think we'll say it like that..". He seemed genuinely surprised and asked how I thought we would do it. I said " I don't know, but the scriptures tell us to make a defense with a mild temper and deep respect, and I don't think "Ha Ha guys, it's too late" qualifies. He agreed and we went on. I could never see what purpose a hailstone judgement message would serve and it seemed at odds with the message of good news of peace, hope, love and salvation we were supposed to be carrying.
In those days though there was also much talk of "a warning work", " marking people for survival", and "seperating the sheep from the goats".
I've also read in some comments on forums how some Witnesses in service would say of a house they admired, that they would have, or take it after Armageddon. In my experience I never heard anyone say that. ( I always thought nothing would be left standing after Armageddon!), but sometimes if someone had a bad experience at the door of a large upscale, well kept house and grounds they might return to the car group and say resentfully " Well....They're having Their Paradise Now!!"
