Everything is Up for Grabs! So, who gets to decide?

by TerryWalstrom 17 Replies latest jw friends

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  Listener

  Simon - Some are misguided but it doesn't take away their courage and bravery and they don't deserve to be erased from history.

  What about those that chose not to go to war and were jailed? It could be viewed by some that this took more courage, they had to face ridicule and humiliation by their fellow countrymen, they are not celebrated or honoured.

  Their courage and bravery was different, they were breaking the law and going against the generally accepted norm. Because they were in the minority their bravery is not acknowledged. The Vietnam War was possibly the most significant time when more individuals started to question this dilemma but I don't recall any monuments erected in their honour. There are songs, movies and artworks but no monuments, maybe this is one way that acceptance of alternative stances slowly creeps into society on a larger scale.

  By acknowledging one group of people we diminish the accomplishments of another group of people, usually those in minorities but they are often there and it's good to examine these by looking back in history.
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  TerryWalstrom

  The statue had a clear dedication: The pillar is engraved, "In memory of the boys who wore gray."
  
  Not to slavery. Not to war itself. To the boys in uniform.
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  Simon

  What about those that chose not to go to war and were jailed? It could be viewed by some that this took more courage, they had to face ridicule and humiliation by their fellow countrymen, they are not celebrated or honoured.

  Because they didn't die on the battlefield.

  Their courage and bravery was different, they were breaking the law and going against the generally accepted norm. Because they were in the minority their bravery is not acknowledged.

  Same with the WW when people were even shot as cowards. Different times.

  The Vietnam War was possibly the most significant time when more individuals started to question this dilemma but I don't recall any monuments erected in their honour. There are songs, movies and artworks but no monuments, maybe this is one way that acceptance of alternative stances slowly creeps into society on a larger scale.

  There's a Vietnam Veterans Memorial wall.

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_Veterans_Memorial

  It's why people need to put more effort into choosing better leaders and not being so keen to head off to war on their say-so. Again, different times although I don't think we've learnt any better.

  By acknowledging one group of people we diminish the accomplishments of another group of people, usually those in minorities but they are often there and it's good to examine these by looking back in history.

  No, we don't. If we put up something to commemorate anything or anyone whether that is a victory or the dead, an inventor or a musician, it doesn't mean that it's a judgement against others. Claiming that it does applies equally the other way - are there any memorials to Martin Luther King? Tear them down ...

  You are falling for the left's warped view of equality and their identity politics and victim obsession.
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  Awakenednow

  I agree with Terryand Simon..so it's one self righteous group trying to decide for all what is moral or immoral and acting on their own delusion of moral superiority....what if you take the personal emotional charge out of the situation here and look at it through the lense of a foreign country like when ISIs goes around shooting up ancient temples and monuments of huge historical and archaeological importance because of their self righteous moral delusions? Amazing artifacts defaced and destroyed forever because of some who are offended from within their own mental framework and opinion and not taking into account those with a different one. I think history should be preserved as it is. what is with all of these people freaking out about anything for the sake of being offended without common sense? Ugh take a chill pill everyone. Can't watch "gone with the wind" anymore either ?
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  ttdtt

  TerryWalstrom10 hours ago10 hours ago10 hours ago10 hours agoThe statue had a clear dedication: The pillar is engraved, "In memory of the boys who wore gray."

  And what were the Boys In Grey fighting for?

  This is like having a Monument for the Brownshirts in Berlin.
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  WingCommander

  How come right after WWII, the Allies enacted "Directive 30", which instituted broad sweeping deletion of anything having to do with the historical, cultural, and institutional regime of the Nazi's. That was ok, but somehow we won't do the same with our own racist, oppressive, losing Confederate past? Seems pretty damned hypocritical to me, to hold another nation like Germany to a higher standard, when we ourselves glorify such people as Confederate Generals.
  
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  TerryWalstrom

  What happens today is real. What happened before today was real. Choices are made and alternatives were chosen. Each of us weighs choices and decisions based on alternatives. So what? So, erasing the history of alternatives destroys the LESSONS to be learned by bad choices made by others.
  
  

  What we don't know doesn't hurt us.

  We see an ad on TV for abandoned pets, starving children, and hungry homeless folk as we open our electric bill. Whose NEED shall we serve?

  We don't change the world by our FEELINGS--only our ACTIONS.
  We slumber in a bed of nightmares.

  So, back to sleep?

  This sad old world is a vast pond on which we float like a random leaf.
  One tiny pebble tossed at the far shore makes its wave into our space and as we bob up and down--oh woe!
  Oh, Woe!
  What shall we do? What shall we "don't"?
  Here are two roads:
  ACT or go back to bed.
  The rest is only the shriek of nightmares.
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  TerryWalstrom

  http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2017/08/15/abrams-calls-for-removal-of-confederate-faces-off-stone-mountain/
  https://www.economist.com/news/middle-east-and-africa/21645749-jihadists-are-attacking-more-regions-people-destroying-historys

  Democratic gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams called for the removal of the giant carving that depicts three Confederate war leaders on the face of state-owned Stone Mountain, saying it “remains a blight on our state and should be removed.”

  “We must never celebrate those who defended slavery and tried to destroy the union,” Abrams said in a series of tweets posted early Tuesday, a response to the deadly violence sparked by white supremacist groups in Charlottesville, Va.

  Removing the faces of Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson would take a monster of a sandblaster and require a change in state law. The Georgia code has a clear mandate for the memorial, saying it should be “preserved and protected for all time as a tribute to the bravery and heroism of the citizens of this state who suffered and died in their cause.”