worldy girl living with inactive JW, confronts his father about religion

by Mulan 17 Replies latest jw friends

  • Mulan
    Mulan

    My JW friend has a son who is living with a very nice young woman, who has two little girls 3 and 5. My friend has no problem with this, because she is like all of us, but is playing the JW game to keep her family. (large extended one) She has become very close to the young woman and her children.

    The girlfriend wants to celebrate Christmas. naturally, (this is their first Christmas togther) and the young man has told her he doesn't believe in it and won't allow a tree in their home, etc. So she came to talk to his father, without him present, to find out why he feels that way. The father gladly sat down to discuss it with her and gave an explanation. She seemed to understand. Then she asked about the blood issue, because she works in the medical field and didn't understand that either. So, he gave a long explanation that did not satisfy her but she understood their reasoning, and thought the Biblical references were not clear.

    This is the kicker. She said, "Okay I understand why you don't celebrate Christmas and don't take blood, but John lives with me, and there is a clear prohibition about that in the Bible, and it doesn't seem to bother him. How do you explain that?"

    He left the room. My friend told me that, through her laughter yesterday. I imagine there are lots of situations like this one out there. Why is Christmas the unforgiveable sin, but sex is okay? (to them I mean)

    They have another son, the best friend of one of our sons, who has a "worldly" girlfriend with two sons. They all celebrate Christmas, but he won't let his Dad know it. They don't live together either.

    They have another son, who is a "Nazi JW". He is the PO in his congregation, and a real hard liner too.

    All three sons are really good people (the eldest is less so), and I've known them all their entire lives. They are all men to be proud of but their father is tormented over the way two of them are living. These men are in their 30's. These kinds of things make me crazy and make that religion seem all the more horrible.

  • czarofmischief
    czarofmischief

    I was in his exact position a year ago. I couldn't get over the mental block about Christmas.

    Learning the troof about the troof however, has cleared my head considerably.

    CZAR

  • Princess
    Princess

    I think I'd like her. Funny, she is the only one who isn't afraid of the dad. All the sons are so afraid of disappointing or angering their dad. I'm surprised John has that attitude about Christmas. I assumed he'd be celebrating. I should invite them to my Christmas party.

  • RunningMan
    RunningMan

    What totally blows me away is that a person would give up their life or the life of their child, by refusing a blood transfusion. But, they would have no qualms about committing fornication. Fornication and blood are both mentioned in the same sentence in Acts.

  • Mulan
    Mulan
    I should invite them to my Christmas party.

    Oh yeah. Great idea!! You know his brother and girlfriend will come, regardless. Cheers

  • Panda
    Panda

    Well, this is the on going soap opera of the JW dance. There's the denial on the part of the Dad. I think I'd like that girl, she seems to want some honest from the dubs, but she'll learn how her questions will never get answered when they ask for reason.

    Merry Christmas to your friends kids

  • ChimChim
    ChimChim

    She's funny, lol!

    My father doesnt mind it, he allows them to decorate and have a tree up and he turns on the lights and stuff himself, and tells them to turn it on he just doesnt buy presents and he waits in his room until they are done opening their presents, and when they are done he comes out and plays with their toys...lol!

    C.C

  • concerned mama
    concerned mama

    Mulan, this issue is somehow related in my confused little mind to Jgnat's recent thread about normal women and JW guys.

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/63053/965620/post.ashx#965620

    I am so puzzled, as so many other of you are, how these guys can rationalize that living together, sex,dating....heck...just plain association with a "worldly one" is OK, then try to be hard line about other issues.

    For that matter if ,she and 2 kids all want a tree, they should vote. That is 3 for a tree and celebrations, and 1 against. Majority rules....oh wait, witnesses don't vote, either.

    There is no logic to the JW religion.

  • Sassy
    Sassy

    well it doesn't make sense that one thing is wrong, and also another (according to the rules) and yet handled differently..

    I am pretty sure my mother is more upset about my sister celebrating Christmas all these years than the fact she also has lived with a man. The reason I think is that the man is something workable, if she can find a way to witness to him, then perhaps she can bring him in to the 'truth' and thereby her daughter too.. Where as Christmas is to her an out and out Christendom activitity.

    When I told her I was leaving the JWs I also admitted that a man was in my life who was not a JW. I had actually left the JW activities months before, however, I put off telling her until he moved in with me. Then I worried he might answer the phone one day and so I thought time to let her know all of it.. so I did.. but all she heard was "man I am dating" and wanting to know if I am telling him about being a JW. I told her yes he knows my background, he has to .... to understand me.. but all the while I see her mind churning.. Convert Convert Convert.. we can still save her.. all we have to do is convert him...

    so that is why I think they overlook somethings more than others.. but that's just my opinion..

  • simplesally
    simplesally

    Hey SNS, I like the new avatar. We can see you, sort of, but no one can id you!!!!!

    ------ok back to normal programming!

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