lmao @ bush card...
the first thing that went thru my mind was ....
''but saddam has like 10 or more look alikes...is it really him?''
bizarre...cant imagine that saddam would spend his days in a dirt hole...but anyway *shrugs*
BREAKING NEWS - SADDAM CAPTURED!!!!!!!!!
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lol @ sens
cant imagine that saddam would spend his days in a dirt hole
especially with a bottle of Grecian 2000
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rem
:The justication for going to war was because Saddam Hussein possessed WoMD, was an immanent threat to the US that had the capability of an attack within 45 minutes.
No, this is the justification for the war that those against the war keep trotting out. It's called a straw man argument and you are fooling no one. The justification for the war was the failure of Iraq to comply with the UN resolutions (for over a decade).
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especially with a bottle of Grecian 2000
lmao are u saying that he took hair dye??
what would give u that idea??
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Yeru
And so you believe w all your heart that saddam was not an imminent threat to your country?
imminent
\Im"mi*nent\, a. [L. imminens, p. pr. of imminere to project; pref. im- in + minere (in comp.) to jut, project. See Eminent.] 1. Threatening to occur immediately; near at hand; impending; -- said especially of misfortune or peril. ``In danger imminent.'' --Spenser.
2. Full of danger; threatening; menacing; perilous.
Hairbreadth scapes i' the imminent deadly breach. --Shak.
3. (With upon) Bent upon; attentive to. [R.]
Their eyes ever imminent upon worldly matters. --Milton.
Syn: Impending; threatening; near; at hand.
Usage: Imminent, Impending, Threatening. Imminent is the strongest: it denotes that something is ready to fall or happen on the instant; as, in imminent danger of one's life. Impending denotes that something hangs suspended over us, and may so remain indefinitely; as, the impending evils of war. Threatening supposes some danger in prospect, but more remote; as, threatening indications for the future.
Three times to-day You have defended me from imminent death. --Shak.
No story I unfold of public woes, Nor bear advices of impending foes. --Pope.
Fierce faces threatening war. --Milton.Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc. imminent
adj : close in time; about to occur; "retribution is at hand"; "some people believe the day of judgment is close at hand"; "in imminent danger"; "his impending retirement" [syn: at hand(p) , close at hand(p) , impending]
Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=imminent
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President Bush was clear in his 2003 State of the Union address that he favored taking action before Iraq became an imminent threat:
Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike? If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words, and all recriminations would come too late.
Again, yet another straw man argument.
p.s. I stole this from JanH on the "other site" :)
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Rem,
No, this is the justification for the war that those against the war keep trotting out. It's called a straw man argument and you are fooling no one. The justification for the war was the failure of Iraq to comply with the UN resolutions (for over a decade).
The UN inspectors said that Iraq had no more WoMD. As of to date there has been no WoMD found, unless they were stashed in the rabbit hole with Saddam. So so far there is no proof that Iraq did not comply with the UN resolution to disarm. George Bush and company was too quick to jump into a needless and costly war just to appease some special interests groups.
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:The UN inspectors said
that Iraq had no more WoMD
for, though. Remember '[Chemical weapons] are not marmalade'?
:So so far there
is no proof that Iraq did not comply with the UN resolution to disarm.
He was required to comply with the inspections, which he did not.
Therefore there was no way to verify that he had complied. If
Saddam really had no WMD, then he must have thought the UN was
bluffing. Now why would he think that? Maybe because the UN
had proven to be impotent the decade before in insuring
compliance. I actually believe it was the French, Germans, and
Russians that made the war inevitable. If they had been firm along with
the US, Iraq most probably would have capitulated to the demands of the
UN and war could have ben averted. As it stood, it looks like
Saddam really thought the cards were in his favor (The dissenting
nations gave him that impression). He was wrong.
:George Bush and
company was too quick to jump into a needless and costly war just
to appease some special interests groups.
The special interest groups were the French, Germans, and Russians who
had much to lose with a war in Iraq.
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DakotaRed
Some Pretty good reporters there in Britain
How to deal with irritatingly good news
By Janet Daley (Filed: 17/12/2003)I am stunned with admiration at the mental agility of the anti-war lobby. Having spent months taunting George W Bush and Tony Blair for their failure to capture Saddam Hussein, and thus accomplish one of the most fundamental aims of the "illegal war" in Iraq, it was able to recover its composure almost instantaneously when the worst happened.
Within minutes of Paul Bremer pronouncing the words "We got him" to ecstatic cheers from Iraqi journalists, there were solemn-faced experts crowding on to my television screen to proclaim that the capture was largely irrelevant, or positively counter-productive, to the present difficulties in Iraq.
The very same interviewers who had once invited their interviewees to prophesy endless anarchy as a consequence of America's inability to locate this man were now asking more or less the same people if his arrest was not pretty useless after all. Or (better yet) if it might not "inflame" the situation even further.
After a further 24 hours, the media had really got their act together. The important issue was not the triumph of having taken alive, without a twitch of resistance, one of the most infamous homicidal tyrants in modern history. No, the matter over which we were to obsess was whether and how this monster could be guaranteed his civil rights. Yesterday, I heard somebody on the Today programme say something like: "Now that the euphoria is ending about the capture of Saddam, attention is turning to the question of whether he can receive a fair trial."
Oh really? Whose attention is that exactly? Just treatment under law is not an inconsequential issue, but, under present circumstances, you will forgive me if I put the establishment of stability and justice for the people of Iraq a bit higher on my list of priorities than the problems of providing the Butcher of Baghdad with a fair trial. And, I must say, if the BBC conveyed any sense of euphoria about Saddam's capture, I must have missed it. The coverage I saw on the day went straight from disconcerted disarray to cynicism, without passing through jubilation.
So, being as resourceful as it clearly is, the anti-war (which is to say, the anti-American) party may not need any help at all. But, in the seasonal spirit of good will, I offer a guide to Guardian comment writers, BBC interviewers and Labour backbenchers on how to deal with any foreseeable circumstance that may arise from the current state of emergency.
What To Say If:
Saddam refuses to co-operate with his interrogators.
The arrest of this man is a sideshow. He clearly knows nothing about the current state of resistance and has played no role in the planning of insurgency. His trial will simply be an exercise in vengeance with no constructive outcome for Iraq.Saddam sings like a canary, identifying the perpetrators of insurgency.
Saddam is obviously being tortured by his American captors. Or else, they are lying about his testimony and justifying their own persecution of innocent Iraqis on the basis of his alleged "confession". (Note to broadcasters: these hypotheses need not be stated baldly. They can simply be hinted at or implied by leading questions and incredulous facial expressions.)Saddam admits to having had weapons of mass destruction all along and gives a detailed account of a) where they can be found, b) how and when he destroyed them.
If a) then switch the focus immediately to the role that America (with particular reference to Donald Rumsfeld personally) played in the past in allowing Saddam to develop these arms. Avoid if possible any tactless references to the much more recent contributions of our European partners in building Saddam's armoury. If b), float the idea that Saddam is lying - simply telling his captors what it would suit their political purposes to hear, in the hopes of cutting a deal for himself.If Saddam's trial is conducted by Iraq without outside interference.
This is nothing more than a kangaroo court: a lynch mob bent on tribal vendetta, licensed and abetted by America, which has, typically, waged an irresponsible war and then walked away, washing its hands of the consequences.If Saddam's trial is conducted under American and British supervision.
This makes a mockery of the hope that Iraq is becoming a self-determining democracy. It is now nothing more than a neo-colonial satellite of American imperialism. The United States has, typically, set up a puppet government in Iraq in order to establish control over the region.If Saddam's trial, by whatever agency, produces previously unknown evidence of crimes against his own people that is so horrific that it shames those who resisted his forcible removal.
No one (certainly not you) ever said they thought Saddam was a hero, or that they wanted him restored to power. They just wanted international law to be permitted to take its own good time to decide how and when he should be stopped.If the arrest, trial and possible execution of Saddam results in a free and democratic Iraq.
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Will,
The UN inspectors said that Iraq had no more WoMD.
Really??? WHEN. LIAR...they NEVER said that...they said they couldn't find them. Blix DID however say that North Korea did NOT have a nuclear weapons program.....hey...REAL RELIABLE huh. BLIX had a vested interest in NOT finding weapons.