Now that the US captured it's former ally Saddam Hussein...

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  • dolphman
    dolphman

    First of all, I'm not a conservative. I believe in gay-rights, freedom to abort babies, etc..etc..

    And no, i don't trust anything. But i'm not in cukoo land believing any conspiracy theory that comes my way. Here's the main reason why:

    Politicians, especially Bush, are too inept to pull most of these conspiracies off.

    I look at the facts, i make judgements based on my own preconcieved notions on human behaviour, and come to my own conclusions.

    Yes, there are people inside wal-marts and monster truck rallys that'll believe anything a republican tells them. Me, i look at all sides of an issue. All sides are pushing a distorted agenda, liberals and republicans alike. You have to look down the middle, and that's what i do.

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine
    Can you tell me what the third option was

    If you have half a brain, you can come up with at least a couple of good options yourself; if you don't have half a brain, then please stay out of jobs that will involve you making decisions that will kill people.

  • frenchbabyface
    frenchbabyface
    Brought out by Will :


    Here some information you may find interesting. Since Bush's case for war on the premise of WoMD to date has not being proven, back in January of last year Bush tried to use the moral issue of Saddam using them on his own people. So building a case for war Bush has to "demonize" his enemy as much as possible. The writter is quoting from the The New York Times, Jan. 31, 2003. The writter goes on to say: "I am not trying to rehabilitate the character of Saddam Hussein. He has much to answer for in the area of human rights abuses. But accusing him of gassing his own people at Halabja as an act of genocide is not correct, because as far as the information we have goes, all of the cases where gas was used involved battles. These were tragedies of war. There may be justifications for invading Iraq, but Halabja is not one of them."

    A War Crime or an Act of War? By Stephen C. Pelletiere The New York Times , Jan. 31, 2003
    MECHANICSBURG, Pa. - It was no surprise that President Bush, lacking smoking-gun evidence of Iraq's weapons programs, used his State of the Union address to re-emphasize the moral case for an invasion: "The dictator who is assembling the world's most dangerous weapons has already used them on whole villages, leaving thousands of his own citizens dead, blind or disfigured."

    The accusation that Iraq has used chemical weapons against its citizens is a familiar part of the debate. The piece of hard evidence most frequently brought up concerns the gassing of Iraqi Kurds at the town of Halabja in March 1988, near the end of the eight-year Iran-Iraq war. President Bush himself has cited Iraq's "gassing its own people," specifically at Halabja, as a reason to topple Saddam Hussein.

    But the truth is, all we know for certain is that Kurds were bombarded with poison gas that day at Halabja. We cannot say with any certainty that Iraqi chemical weapons killed the Kurds. This is not the only distortion in the Halabja story.

    I am in a position to know because, as the Central Intelligence Agency's senior political analyst on Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war, and as a professor at the Army War College from 1988 to 2000, I was privy to much of the classified material that flowed through Washington having to do with the Persian Gulf. In addition, I headed a 1991 Army investigation into how the Iraqis would fight a war against the United States; the classified version of the report went into great detail on the Halabja affair. This much about the gassing at Halabja we undoubtedly know: it came about in the course of a battle between Iraqis and Iranians. Iraq used chemical weapons to try to kill Iranians who had seized the town, which is in northern Iraq not far from the Iranian border. The Kurdish civilians who died had the misfortune to be caught up in that exchange. But they were not Iraq's main target.
    And the story gets murkier: immediately after the battle the United States Defense Intelligence Agency investigated and produced a classified report, which it circulated within the intelligence community on a need-to-know basis. That study asserted that it was Iranian gas that killed the Kurds, not Iraqi gas.
    The agency did find that each side used gas against the other in the battle around Halabja. The condition of the dead Kurds' bodies, however, indicated they had been killed with a blood agent - that is, a cyanide-based gas - which Iran was known to use. The Iraqis, who are thought to have used mustard gas in the battle, are not known to have possessed blood agents at the time.
    These facts have long been in the public domain but, extraordinarily, as often as the Halabja affair is cited, they are rarely mentioned. A much-discussed article in The New Yorker last March did not make reference to the Defense Intelligence Agency report or consider that Iranian gas might have killed the Kurds. On the rare occasions the report is brought up, there is usually speculation, with no proof, that it was skewed out of American political favoritism toward Iraq in its war against Iran.

    I am not trying to rehabilitate the character of Saddam Hussein. He has much to answer for in the area of human rights abuses. But accusing him of gassing his own people at Halabja as an act of genocide is not correct, because as far as the information we have goes, all of the cases where gas was used involved battles. These were tragedies of war. There may be justifications for invading Iraq, but Halabja is not one of them.

    http://www.wanniski.com/showarticle.asp?articleid=2434

    Will

    WHAT ABOUT THAT ? ... WHO is the BOOGYMAN !!! ??? ... Somes things are quiet obvious ... don't you think ? ... (more than what they are telling us) ...

  • dolphman
    dolphman

    ha ha ha six of nine. You can't come up with anything can you? Because there are only 2 options.

    Listen, all the protest singers and drum circles in the world can't make bad people start doing good things. The fact is, you have to kill people sometimes. If you don't believe me, then take your guitar and all your favorite John Denver songs to the palace of Kim Jong II and see if you can't get him to release political prisoners or stop threatening to nuke S.Korea. I mean, that'll work, right? OF COURSE! Bush has it all wrong, being such a cowboy.

    The only thing that keeps tyrants in check is use of force, or the assumption that there could be a use of force. You can't be a wimp or be squeamish when dealing in international politics. Because no matter how we progress as a human race, there will always be people who abuse their power (insert your bush analogy here). Fundamentalist Islam was and still IS a threat to us, mainly because of the threat a free society presents to it. This goes far beyone whether or not we support Israel or not. They don't like our women wearing mini-skirts, their kids watching MTV, etc..etc...When Islam is in the hands of fundamentalists, all the extremes of the religion are multiplied ten-fold (same thing can happen to christianity, although not as severe in our modern era).

  • frenchbabyface
    frenchbabyface



    Dolphman : all the extremes of the religion are multiplied (A) ten-fold (same thing can happen to christianity, although not as severe in our modern era).
    Well ... (A) and it is related to their poverty ... (but you don't care / even if it is related to your own country's actions) wait till the changes ...

    ... we ain't go nowhere even worse "DOWN"

    Nothing to add here too.

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