Damn Satan at it again tampering with evidence!

by notsurewheretogo 10 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • notsurewheretogo
    notsurewheretogo

    Jeepers...we all know that humans have only been on this planet for 6,000 years...stupid scientists getting confused again...must be that Satan bloke who goes round fiddling with all the evidence that humans have been on this planet longer than 6,000 years!

    http://www.sciencealert.com/nasa-can-t-explain-who-made-these-huge-8-000-year-old-glyphs-in-kazakhstan?

    Back in 2007, a series of huge, mysterious geoglyphs were discovered in the grasslands, or steppes, of Kazakhstan. Formed by human-made mounds, divots, and trenches, the structures create giant images that can be seen from the sky, including shapes that look like crop circles, squares, and swastikas. Archaeologists estimate they were created around 8,000 years ago, but have no idea who built them, or why.

    Now NASA has taken the first photos of the Steppe Geoglyphs from space, and has admitted that its scientists are no closer to solving the mystery. But they're going to keep investigating, because the answer could reshape our understanding of early humanity.

    The glyphs were first discovered by amateur archaeologist Dmitriy Dey back in 2007 using Google Earth, and about 260 of them have been found since. But what makes them interesting enough for NASA to get involved is the fact that they were made so long ago - the Nazca Lines in Peru, by comparison, were only built around 1,500 years ago.

    And as far as we're aware, the only humans living in this region of Kazakhstan back then were nomadic Stone Age tribes, whom researchers don't think were sophisticated enough to build anything like this.

    "The idea that foragers could amass the numbers of people necessary to undertake large-scale projects – like creating the Kazakhstan geoglyphs – has caused archaeologists to deeply rethink the nature and timing of sophisticated large-scale human organisation as one that predates settled and civilised societies," Persis B. Clarkson, an archaeologist at the University of Winnipeg, told Ralph Blumenthal from The New York Times.

    So far, we don't have a lot to go on. Serious investigation into the shapes has only really just started, with the glyphs formally being described at an archaeology conference last year for the first time - before that there were some concerns the whole thing was a hoax due to how remarkable the structures are. And it's only the last two weeks that NASA has gotten involved.

    They're now using satellites from one of their contractors, DigitalGlobe, to take images of some of the most iconic structures from space, and they've also instructed the astronauts on board the International Space Station to start taking photos of the region.

    "I’ve never seen anything like this; I found it remarkable," said Compton J. Tucker, a NASA scientist who provided the images. He added that NASA was "proceeding to map the entire region".

    Another thing that makes the glyphs so fascinating is their sheer size - they're so large that they're unable to be seen properly from the ground, but it's hard to imagine a civilisation 8,000 years ago contemplating the surface of the Earth from the air.

    One of the largest structures is the Ushtogay Square, which is almost 250,000 metres in area, with each of its sides as long as an aircraft carrier.

    Another structure, called the Bestamskoe Ring, is a circle made up of dozens of smaller circles. There's also the Turgai Swastika, which looks kind of like a three-armed swastika (and yes, as we all learned from The Da Vinci Code, the swastika was popular way before the Nazis started using it).

    Right now there's no clear indication whether these structures were created for art, communication, or perhaps some sort of ritual. So far the two structures that have been dug into show no sign of any buried remains.

    But hopefully with NASA and its impressive satellite technology coming on board, and other archaeologists getting involved, we might have some more clues to go on soon.

  • rebel8
    rebel8
    Cool. This is what science is all about--being willing to revise one's beliefs as a result of new evidence.
  • Island Man
    Island Man
    Cool. This is what science is all about--being willing to revise one's beliefs as a result of new evidence.

    In stark contrast to religions like Jehovah's Witnesses, who are all about denying evidence, tweaking facts, re-defining words and using foolish logic to maintain their false beliefs in the face of disconfirming evidence.

  • Oubliette
    Oubliette

    Cool, a mystery.

    Since anatomically modern humans have been on the earth for 100,000 to 200,000 years, it's not a huge leap to infer that they had the same or at least similar cognitive abilities as us, just without all of the modern scientific knowledge and resultant technology.

    We humans are curious people.

    It will be interesting to see what archaeologists make of this.

    These glyphs predate "Adam and Eve" so it's a problem for anyone that interprets the Bible literally.

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot

    "Scientists are conspiring to hide the truth!"... "Satan is tampering with evidence to undermine our faith!"... "Evolutionary science is a tool of the Antichrist!"...

    x

    ...or...

    x

    ..."Genesis simply isn't literal history."...

    x

    ...Gosh, I'm having so much trouble deciding which stance is more plausible.

    I honestly wonder sometimes if creationists consciously realize that all the effort they put into defending creationism does more to undermine it than almost anything else.

  • DATA-DOG
    DATA-DOG

    Awesome!! Just in time for the new X-Files series too!! 👽

    DD

  • never a jw
    never a jw
    The answer from my JW brother would be that they were made by human like beings (Neanderthals perhaps), but not human. First humans were Adam and Eve, end of story
  • DATA-DOG
    DATA-DOG

    Wow. That seems like heresy for a J dub. I didn't think they were allowed to believe that.

    DD

  • Mephis
    Mephis

    Most amazing if they can make the dating stand up. This is the area where one would expect to find Indo-European culture developing, if one of the main theories of human language/culture development is correct, so this is huge really for that.

    Gobekli Tepe has already re-written the textbooks on ideas of when humans began to shift into settled communities, and the ability to order a labour force to create something of significant size, so there's plenty of room for other things to chip away at once established ideas.

    Very exciting, but they need to establish the dating first. So far it's guesswork from everything I've seen, and evidence has to drive theory.

  • Bugslife
    Bugslife
    Cool. This is what science is all about--being willing to revise one's beliefs as a result of new evidence.

    In stark contrast to religions like Jehovah's Witnesses, who are all about denying evidence, tweaking facts, re-defining words and using foolish logic to maintain their false beliefs in the face of disconfirming evidence.

    Island man- Isn't that what they do with their 'new light'?

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