Josephus-Luke connection

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  • peacefulpete
    peacefulpete

    I recieved a reply.

    Dear Sir,
    > I very much enjoyed the article linking Luke to Josephus. However
    > there
    > is a question about quoting Massey in regards the term "Sicarii". He
    > seems
    > to suggest that the term was first applied to these asassins by
    > Josephus,
    > yet the very passage in Josephus claims that this was the term being
    > commonly applied to them by saying, "as they were called". Is there
    > an explanation?
    >
    > sincerely, peacefulpete

    No. You are thinking correctly.

    I don't think Massey was claiming Josephus invented the appellation.
    Rather, he is--as far as we know--the first Greek author to introduce
    the Latin term into the Greek language. The crucial point is that
    Sicarii is not Greek, but Latin. It is thus novel to mention the Latin
    word used by the Romans when a Greek translation would do. Indeed, how
    would anyone like Luke know what the Latin term was so long after they
    ceased to exist? He could have learned it somewhere else, but Josephus
    is the most obvious source.

    Since I wrote that article I have come across a passage in Hippolytus
    that is commonly believed to derive from a source shared by Josephus on
    the Essenes (it might derive from Josephus, but I suspect not). In that
    section, H. says the Zealots were a faction of the Essenes, and
    mentions that they were also called the Sicarii. J. does not claim the
    Zealots were a faction of the Essenes, but calls them a "fourth
    philosophy," though he describes their soteriology in exactly the same
    terms, and J. had motive to downplay their connections (he wanted to
    paint them as "the bad Jews" which would be undermined if they came
    from the order of Jews J. most respected). So it is possible that the
    Zealots were called the Sicarii in a text about the Essenes *used* by
    J., and it is probable (for various reasons I need not bore you with)
    that the text, whoever wrote it, was in Greek. That would then be the
    most likely first introduction of the Latin term into the Greek
    language.

    If you've followed me this far through the maze,<G> I would conclude
    that there is, say, an 80% chance that Sicarii was introduced into the
    Greek language before Josephus. However, Luke shows no awareness of
    that other text. Indeed, though Luke more than any other author
    stresses the "philosophical school" aspect of Christianity and mentions
    the Sadducees and Pharisees, he never mentions the Essenes or any
    doctrines or facts about them--which is what the hypothesized source
    text was entirely about--Luke doesn't even try to transfer any of these
    details to Christians, yet we would expect that according to the most
    popular hypothesis for the omission (i.e. Luke doesn't mention Essenes
    because, so the theory goes, he intended Christians to be taken as the
    Essenes; however, there is one detail Luke does add, their communism,
    but I think that is also in J.--in contrast, if he cited something
    mentioned by H. and not J., that would show source dependency). So it
    is safe to say that Luke did not know of J.'s source. Therefore, it is
    probable Luke got Sicarii from J., even if J. got it from another Greek
    author--which is already not certain.

    No one said history was easy.<G>

    Be well.

    --
    Richard C. Carrier, M.Phil.
    Columbia University, NY
    www.columbia.edu/~rcc20

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