Newbie Ex's: You CAN Just Fade Away.

by Englishman 12 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Englishman
    Englishman

    This is on the Watchtowers official media site at: http://www.jw-media.org/beliefs/beliefsfaq.htm

    Do you shun former members?

    Those who become inactive in the congregation, perhaps even drifting away from association with fellow believers, are not shunned. In fact, special effort is made to reach out to them and rekindle their spiritual interest. If, however, someone unrepentantly practices serious sins, such as drunkeness, stealing or adultery, he will be disfellowshipped and such an individual is avoided by former fellow-worshipers. Every effort is made to help wrongdoers. But if they are unrepentant, the congregation needs to be protected from their influence. The Bible clearly states: 'Remove the wicked man from among yourselves.' (1 Corinthians 5:13) Those who formally say they do not want to be part of the organization any more are also avoided. What of a man who is disfellowshipped but whose wife and children are still Jehovah's Witnesses? The spiritual ties he had with his family change, but blood ties remain. The marriage relationship and normal family affections and dealings can continue. As for disfellowshipped relatives not living in the same household, Jehovah's Witnesses apply the Bible's counsel: "Quit mixing with them." (1 Corinthians 5:11) Disfellowshipped individuals may continue to attend religious services and, if they wish, they may receive spiritual counsel from the elders with a view to their being restored. They are always welcome to return to the faith if they reject the improper course of conduct for which they were disfellowshipped

    However, there is a rider to this:

    If, however, someone unrepentantly practices serious sins, such as drunkeness, stealing or adultery, (no child molestors, I see!) he will be disfellowshipped and such an individual is avoided by former fellow-worshipers. Every effort is made to help wrongdoers. But if they are unrepentant, the congregation needs to be protected from their influence.

    In short, you can just fade. However, they will be watching you like a hawk. So they will expect you to receive their "shepherding" visits with gratitude. Which means that if you produce counter-arguments you could be labelled "apostate" and be subsequently disfellowshipped.

    So if you decide to continue living where you are and do a slow fade, you will have to always be avoiding doing things that, to them, are DF'ing offences.

    You can't argue your point of view overmuch.

    You can't have a Christmas tree in the window!

    You can't smoke.

    You can't stay over with your beloved unless you're married to him/her.

    You can't buy a lottery ticket.

    In fact you can't do pretty much anything, which is why most faders either move or resign formerly.

    What is really sickening about this statement for the media is the way in which it appears to be so reasonable. Drunkeness, stealing or adultery are generally regarded by most folk as being somewhat anti-social, so, on the face of it, there is little in this statement to excite a media that is ignorant of the real reasons that people are generally disfellowshipped. Those reasons are usually to do with disagreeing with Watchtower teachings and little do with anti-social behaviour.

    What lying and devious a**holes they are!

    Englishman.

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    Now that's the truth about "the Troof"!

    Let's hope Pompey give us better news today, eh?

    Cheers me old china, Ozzie

  • Englishman
    Englishman

    Cheers, Ozzie.

    BTW, we beat Spurs 2 - 0 on Friday.

    Englishman.

  • DanTheMan
    DanTheMan

    Interesting point E-man, that they don't mention shockingly sinful behavior such as allowing a blood transfusion to a dying child, or smoking, as DF offenses.

    Those who formally say they do not want to be part of the organization any more are also avoided.

    Also, notice the word "avoided" instead of "shunned". The word "avoided" doesn't really capture the extent of the shunning that is practiced by JW's, would you agree?

    Those who formally say they do not want to be part of the organization any more are also avoided.

    This also is very deceitful in light of what they consider to be formal declaration of disassociation, such as accepting a blood transfusion or joining the military.

    Lurking WT lawyers, any comments????

  • Englishman
    Englishman
    This also is very deceitful in light of what they consider to be formal declaration of disassociation, such as accepting a blood transfusion or joining the military.

    Really? So one's actions can be construed as a formal declaration of disassociaton? You don't just have to write a formal letter?

    Wow, these guys are sneaky! IMHO, they are certainly unworthy of any charitable status simply because of their DF'ing parctises.

    Englishman.

  • DanTheMan
    DanTheMan

    E-man, JT has posted quite a bit about the concept of disassocation by one's actions -

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/9/60973/922504/post.ashx#922504

  • Earnest
    Earnest

    Mike, this idea of disassociating yourself by what you do (without a formal letter) goes right back to 1982 (w 1/15, p.31 Questions from Readers) :

    It is quite a different matter with a former Christian who is "disassociated." This designation is applied basically in two situations:

    First, though it is uncommon, a person might decide that he absolutely no longer wants to be a Witness. We do not mean a person such as is described above, a spiritually weak or discouraged Christian who may express some doubts. Rather, we mean someone who resolutely declares that he absolutely is no longer one of Jehovah?s Witnesses. Since in the past he voluntarily became a baptized member of the congregation, it would now be proper for him to inform the congregation that he is ending this relationship. It would be best if he did this in a brief letter to the elders, but even if he unequivocally states orally that he is renouncing his standing as a Witness, the elders can deal with the matter.?1 John 2:19.

    The second situation involves a person who renounces his standing in the congregation by joining a secular organization whose purpose is contrary to counsel such as that found at Isaiah 2:4, where we read concerning God?s servants: "They will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, neither will they learn war anymore." Also, as stated at John 17:16, "they are no part of the world, just as I [Jesus] am no part of the world."?Compare Revelation 19:17-21.

    In either of these two situations, the person by word and/or actions has clearly terminated his status as one of Jehovah?s Witnesses, disassociating himself. Hence, the elders will announce briefly to the congregation that this individual has disassociated himself. Those in the congregation will accept the person?s decision and thereafter will view him as a former brother with whom they would not fellowship, in harmony with what we read at 1 Corinthians 5:11 and 2 John 9-11.

  • Mulan
    Mulan
    Really? So one's actions can be construed as a formal declaration of disassociaton? You don't just have to write a formal letter?

    Yes, that is true. But the announcement is read as if you have made the decision to disassociate, and everyone believes you wrote the letter too.

  • lastcall
    lastcall

    In fact, special effort is made to reach out to them and rekindle their spiritual interest. If, however, someone unrepentantly practices serious sins, such as drunkeness, stealing or adultery, he will be disfellowshipped and such an individual is avoided by former fellow-worshiper

    So E-man, a christmas tree in the window or a lottery ticket is a "serious sin"? Let me guess prolly not enough for disfellowship for one who has faded these things would constitute "formally dissasociating".?

    Those who formally say they do not want to be part of the organization any more are also avoided.

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