Contradiction????? (page 2)

God_knows

Do not fear, blessed one.
It is NOT a sin to vote, or to salute the flag, or whatever. God, through Paul actually commands us to be obedient to government authorities; they do not merely exist by God's permission, they were placed there by God to help keep watch over his flock.

slipnslidemaster

Yeah I know, but she got mad at me. I tried to tell her it was a compliment and I even got asked out a couple of times, but she is a stick in the mud.

I'm not naming ven... I mean names.

Slipnslidemaster: I thought you said your dog doesn't bite? That isn't my dog!

Yerusalyim

Slip,

You said

You got it!! BTW, I'm a Master not a lady!

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Reminds me of that old joke "That was no lady, that was my wife"

Blessing to ya Robert

Yeru

YERUSALYIM
I like peanut butter, can you rollerskate?

Sage

You all have some great points. But I must stress that God is simply allowing man to govern himself so that he can see that man cannot govern himself without bringing total chaos.

Besides if God is in control as you say, why then is the purpose of voting anyway? God's wishes always comes true no matter what we humans feel or say. Satan is truly in control of this world and therefore was able to have Jesus killed. But again Satan is only
operating because God is ALLOWING him to exist. He could easily do away with him. But this would not prove the point that WE humans cannot govern ourselves. And so it is obvious that we need God to take full control and to do away with all lawlessness. Next time God is in full control we will not dare to go against him as Adam, Eve, Satan etc. did.

Farkel

: Satan is truly in control of this world and therefore was able to have Jesus killed

Horsepucky. Using that logic, Satan was acting as God's agent and doing God's will. Had Satan tried to stop Jesus from being killed, there would be no salvation for any of us. Ever. It was "God's" provision to have his own son murdered. It was his "loving" way of providing salvation for us all. HAHAHAHAHA!

And by the way, Judas Iscariot was ALSO doing God's will by fulfilling prophecy. Had he not done what he did, the prophecy of Jesus being betrayed for 30 pieces of silver would have failed and God would have been a liar. Had not Judas done the deed, someone ELSE would have HAD to have done the deed. But it doesn't matter, who ever did the deed was doing God's will by fulfilling prophecy.

It makes about as much sense to me as your average Watchtower study article.

Farkel

Faraon

Sage,

You all have some great points. But I must stress that God is simply allowing man to govern himself so that he can see that man cannot govern himself without bringing total chaos.

Thank you for clarifying those points to me. I now see that man brought total chaos by destroying Earth with a deluge. I always thought that the Jewish god was supposed to be the one who brought total chaos by destroying even newborns.

But this would not prove the point that WE humans cannot govern ourselves. And so it is obvious that we need God to take full control and to do away with all lawlessness. Next time God is in full control we will not dare to go against him as Adam, Eve, Satan etc. did.

Ok. Now I know for sure that at this point your god is not now in full control. Someone must be controlling him/her.

Next time the tribal Jewish god will think a worse punishment than the one given to Adam and Eve. Not only will the people going against him/her will have their descendents sentenced to death. This time their forefathers will be murdered. That will teach them a lesson.
How many people did Satan kill?
How many did Yaweh murder?
Only one goat per year was sacrificed to Satan.
Yaweh received thousands of animals as bloody sacrifice.

JRP
If I wanted your opinion, I would beat it out of you (seen in a bumper sticker)

larc

Sage,

You rightly pointed out that those who govern are imperfect. Well, ain't we all. What do you suggest as an alternate, total anarchy? As Farkle pointed out, such an alternative would bring total ruin. While we are "waiting on Jehovah", for quite a long time now, I might add, what do you expect the human race should do?

Sorry Sage, but I find your comments to be glib platitudes - good sounding, but lacking content.

On your counsel sheet, I will mark you strong on sincerity, but weak on logic.

AGuest

Dearest Yeru... may you have peace!

By the spirit of my Lord that is in me, holy spirit, I ask you:

1. Who placed Saul in his position?
2. Who placed David in his position?
3. Who placed Moses in his position?
4. Who permitted Pharaoh to stay in his position until his obstinance was fulfilled?
5. Who placed ALL of the kings of Israel and Judah in their positions?
6. Who placed Nebuchanezzar in his position?
7. Who placed Cyrus and Darius in their relative positions?

And in order for the prophecy to be fulfilled regarding the death of my Lord in the flesh... who placed Pilate and Herod in their relative positions?

The WTBTS doesn't have clue. ALL 'authorities' exist by means of the One who brings them INTO existence... for His will and purpose. Indeed, while Satan IS 'the ruler of this world', he has no 'hold' on my Lord or that which 'belongs' to my Lord, for my Lord exercises 'authority' even over that one. For ALL authority was given HIM... in heaven AND on earth.

Now, indeed, some of the 'intellectuals' here would state that if my Lord has 'authority' over all that is going on, then HE is responsible for what ails this world. And if not, WHY not? To that, I am directed to reply that my Lord is obligated to take care of ONLY that which 'belongs' to him, that which is his OWN... and Satan... takes care of HIS own. Dear ones, WE WERE HANDED OVER... NOT by my Lord... but by Adam.

And so, my Lord gave HIS life... to purchase back, redeem, RANSOM... what Adam lost. UnFORTUNATELY... most of the world don't BELIEVE in my Lord, don't believe he even exists... and thus, do not CALL upon him for salvation... now... or eternally. But for those that DO... he hears you... as long as it is to HIM that you are calling.

If, however, you are calling to 'an unknown god'... or to some 'god' created FOR you by 'false christs'... then he is not obligated to listen. And yet... he does. It is YOU... that cannot here HIM... when he says to YOU, 'Here I am! THIS is the Way, you people. WALK IN IT!'

There IS a 'guiding Light' out of this 'darkness', dear ones. You are just not LOOKING at him. Just as Moses raised up the copper serpent in the wilderness and the children of Israel were told NOT to take their eyes OFF that one... so, too, the Son of Man, my Lord, has been 'lifted up'. LOOK AT HIM... indeed, gaze intently at him... and KISS THE SON... that you may live... and that you may have ears to hear and eyes to SEE your way out.

Otherwise, continue walking in darkness... and wondering where you're going... and why.

I bid you peace!

A slave of Christ,

SJ

Yerusalyim

Sage,

The first thing I would say you need to show me from the bible is that God is trying to prove ANYTHING. God has NOTHING to prove to ANYONE, that aside, God knows EVERYTHING, He is Omniscient. God doesn't need to SEE anything, God knows the end from the beginning. Also, show me in the bible where God gave the World to Satan. Last I checked, God gave the world to us humans. While I don't argue that Satan has a lot of influence in the World but does NOT control it. That is why voting is so essential, it's an opportunity most do NOT have to influence the World for God's purposes. Also, show me in the scriptures where voting is a sin, or against God's will.

Yeru

YERUSALYIM
I like peanut butter, can you rollerskate?

logical

God_Knows

You have already contradicted yourself. You claim that God put the governments there to "look after His flock", yet in another topic, you say the Beast is a government... we know the Beast is from Satan, not the Father. So, which is it?

Contradiction?????

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