Are JW"S coerced to refuse blood transfusions?

by fearnotruth22 35 Replies latest watchtower medical

  • doodle-v
    doodle-v

    *** Awake! 1994 May 22 p.2 ***

    Youths Who Put God First

    In former times thousands of youths died for putting God first. They are still doing it, only today the drama is played out in hospitals and courtrooms, with blood transfusions the issue.

    *** Blood, Medecine, and the Law of God p.54 ***

    [Note: not available on 1993/1995/1999 CD-ROM]

    They know that if they violate God's law on blood and the child dies in the process, they have endangered that child's opportunity for everlasting life in God's new world.

    [Emphasis Added]

    *** Blood, Medecine, and the Law of God p.55) ***

    [Note: not available on 1993/1995/1999 CD-ROM]

    It may result in the immediate and very temporary prolongation of life, but that at the cost of eternal life for a dedicated Christian.

    Sounds like coersion to me....

    Doodle-V

  • fearnotruth22
    fearnotruth22

    WED

    I have also posted and said things to posters that I shouldnt have either. But now I am more sensitive and can understand things better as you have just expressed.

    I consider myself totally out of the box, but when I first lurked this board I was in the box and in my lurking opinion, much of the viws expressed on this board was apostate with the intended purpose of deiscredditing the wt.

    I just read Garybuses freminds post and am more sensitivive to his feelings. People have been hurt as GaryB and others have. I know where posters are comming from when they say what they say.

    I wont post informationas factual to guide aanyone al id it is not factual The wt has gotten into a lot of truble giving wackymedical advise in the past as quotes .com shows that now discredits them. But I appreciate any infirmation that is helpful are yours is.

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    Nice one, Fearnotruth.. You bet your sweet whatever, that the dubs are co erced into refusing blood. That stuff about "Choice" is strictly for the public. Those of us inside know that it is unspeakable to say anything other than that you would firmly refuse it

    Funnily enough , an elder offered me a new Medical card yesterday when I attended with my wife. I accepted the card because I wanted to read it and see how it had changed in the "New light" about fractions. There is no way that I would complete it and carry it . It was the first thing that I dropped when I woke up to the real truth.

    My attitude to blood trans. is much the same as Fear... I was so schooled in the J W teaching that I just feel a revulsion for anyones blood coming into me, although I know a lot more about it now (We ought to mention ajwrb.com) .. However I would not wish to die because of it. If my life were on the line I would readily accept

    I liked Fears thoughts about the keeping of control.. Medicine is not always an exact science and I would not just meekly accept everything a doctor wanted to do to me

    Another random thought. The dubs that I know do not understand the issue anything like as well as we do here. They have an ostritch mentality, leave their head in the sand and "Leave it to Jehovah".. Most are confused by the long words and simply do not understand the latest position

  • stillajwexelder
    stillajwexelder

    Coercion - possibly not -- but severe peer pressure by the use of guilt etc. CERTAINLY

  • wednesday
    wednesday

    If u have a bleed and lets say your hemoglobin has dropped to 8-9 they would think of transfusing.Yes u can live with a HGB that low, but Hgb carries O2 and your thinking would be imparied. Organs can be damaged. I speak from personal experience on that. I did have my HGB drop very low, and it took me months-nealy a year to recover. A transfusion would have greatly helped me. But the doc would talk to u and u can decline. Mostly he would be concerned about why u are bleeding and just getting it stopped. There are a number of conditions, that might require some of the blood compontents, platelets etc. Generally if a doc says u need that, u can bet u do, he';s not trying to use it unnecesarily. Today insurance companies don't pay for unnecesary procedures. Why would he do that? the jw mindset has tainted good judgment in some cases. I have all sorts of medical conditions and have never been offered blood. But if i am bleeding or very anemic, i want those RBC's. U do not have to worry, no one is going to chase u down and force blood on u in a hospital. That is the JWS talking , not real life. Of course all of us should make informed consent. but i think the JWS really think they are doctors and know more than the docs. . A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.

    bottom line, i don't relish a transfusion, i but if my doc says i need a blood compontent, and that is the only treatment he knows of, i will take it.

  • fearnotruth22
    fearnotruth22

    wed thanks so much for your valuable and informative posts. i agree with your thinking. Im sure there are lots of lurkers out there looking for info like you have posted. It is very helpful to help jws decide freely what they want.Someone asked me: What is more valuable blood or the life it represents? That statement changed my past je stand on blood.

    Do you have info on storing your own blood. I have no objections whatsoever of using my blood stored or whatever. Its my blood. I dont care about wt stand on this. Sure they will change soon enough on this.

    I still cary my md card. Im afraid to leave home without it. But Im trying to rationalize not carrying it. JWS and their children are in great danger I think .

    POst by doodle is great! shoking to have that mindset that the awake says.

  • fearnotruth22
    fearnotruth22

    Bluesbro:

    Thats exactly what jws do , hide their heads in the sand and leave things in j hand. The r and f just dont understand the blood issue and are leaving the thinking to the Society even as the society backs away from the position a fraction at a time, and mking it a matter of concience, even as organ transplants are a matter of concience acoording to the wts, I know bros walking around feeling great with organ transplants today in good standing with the cong. But as you have clearly seen Bluesbro, the wts HAS CHANGED THEIR STAND ON BLOOD, oblivious to joe schmo publisher,wwho will loyally remain faithful to j even to death.

    As I metioned earlier, a sis died recently because she refused blood while bleeding profusely. NEWS had that on the radio.

    The WTS is covered against any liablilty if in the future they lif the blood ban by simply asserting that jw make their free choice frm their conscience and that blood is risky and people have contracted aids from blood , blah blah. But all things considered, that sis would be alive today, had she not been a jw loyalist.

    I think that the blood transfuion issue will sink the wts if God does not come to the rescue. Particularly id it comes public that people would be alive today had they accepted blood. I always hided my head in the sand too believing that God was taking care of all of that, I alaways lived my life with full faith and confidence in J. But now the wt is telling the rand f to plan for the future and to make decisons as when filing out the proxy. scary. It was easy when the wt made all decions for jws. The WTS has not shown to have the fiath it requires its followers to have because it is involved in the business of raising prophets, trading stocks, investing, making money, etc taking no chances. Unlike Jesus and early xtians who were not engaged in the business of financing the ppreachnig work but left that up to God,

    I saw a cartoon with moses crossing the red sea wearing a life preserver as he led the jws out of egypt. REminds me of the Society. They tell the rand f to have blind faith, but they take no chances.

    SAd, that time has shown them wrong on so many things, including the blood issue. : Although people have contracted infections and have died from blood transfusions, the majority of people treated with blood have benefited from the blood treatment, Sure in the past blood was only in a primitive stage compared to now, howvever, wouldnt it be nice if some of the JW people that refused blood in the past would be alive today, had they acepted blood as the wt allows today. Do you think that God would be so offended if the friends and families of those individuals would not have to miss those people in death as everyone dead and alive waits so to speak for the so called bible promises that jws believe.? Get this: The WTS does allow blood use, but THEY decide and dictate what blood parts can be used. "Blood is blood" to quote elders. THe wts teaches that some peoples concieces may allow them to use a LITTLE amount of blood used for rabies and tetanus shots. WHAT A COP OUT! concience or coercion?

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    coerce. Main Entry: co·erce
    Pronunciation: kO-'&rs
    Function: transitive verb
    Inflected Form(s): co·erced; co·erc·ing
    Etymology: Latin coercEre, from co- + arcEre to shut up, enclose
    Date: 15th century
    1 : to restrain or dominate by force <religion in the past has tried to coerce the irreligious -- W. R. Inge>
    2 : to compel to an act or choice
    3 : to bring about by force or threat <coerce the compliance of the rest of the community -- Scott Buchanan>
    synonym see Force

    © 2003 by Merriam-Webster, Incorporated

    I haven't been a dub in 20 years and it has been 30 years since I had to consider this issue but...

    When my second daughter was born premature there was the issue of a possible BT. All I know is that I was scared the elders would show up or my husband would say "No blood". I was terrified my baby would die. And I would have tried to find a way to let her have it. (Fortunately the tests were wrong and she was still at a safe level).

    But I was keenly aware that I would have been pressured/coerced into denying blood if she needed it.

    Here in Canada when there is the possibility of the need for blood it is considered a mediacl procedure apart from any surgery that is required. People must sign a separate permission form to allow the blood. I've had surgery since I was DFed and they took my blood card away. (How dumb is that if they really think it is so dangerous and sinful?)

  • fearnotruth22
    fearnotruth22

    Lady Lee:

    I expressed my concern some years ago to a sharp elder that somehow the state could force blood upon my child if he was ever in the hospital and needed it. He looked at me disturbed and told me not to worry that the state takes power and does what it wants. Reflectlibg back at exactly what he told me and how he worded it, I realize what his personal view on blood was at that time.

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    Fearnotruth

    exactly. Few people would follow that rule if no one was looking over their shoulder - hence the coercion

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