Are Children born crippled/diseased, uncared for, and dying prematurely proof that God does not exist?

by anointed1 21 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  anointed1

  Are Children born crippled/diseased, uncared for, and dying prematurely proof that God does not exist?

  If so,

  1) What do children born healthy and well cared for prove?

  2) What do babies aborted (many of whom might have led a normal healthy life, and some of whom might have contributed much to the society like many scientists, doctors, engineers ....) prove?

  3) What do babies killed in wars (some of which are created for the sake of war) prove?

  We have strength and intelligence to lessen/remove any such undesirable occurrences if we want to. (People who make to the Guinness Book of World Records show that seemingly impossible tasks are not so if we are determined to accomplish them)

  Many people have had a fall in their bathrooms—yet effect varies from person to person—from no injury to serious injury (shows it depends on various factors or is determined by some laws). So is the case with drinking of alcohol—yet effect varies from person to person—from no health issues to serious health problems (shows it too depends on various factors or is determined by some laws). It is not proper to isolate one case from such varying effects and reach a conclusion. In big picture, everything happens by some laws working independently of God, and such laws may be perceptible or imperceptible, hence every effect should have some cause.

  My experience is that God is confident of our abilities to solve any problem we experience, and will not listen to our prayers. See what happens when people use their intelligence and ingenuity. One zoo I visited has a separate enclosure where they bring babies removed from their parents after their birth. These babies who are deprived of the opportunity of seeing what their seniors are doing are learned new way of living as a family. Thus in this enclosure we find all animals—such as lions and lambs, cats and rats, snakes and frogs—living in peace.
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  cofty

  Utter bollocks
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  The Rebel

  Cofty " Utter bollocks"

  The rebel :- Cofty i think you should increase your word power " Complete and utter bollocks"
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  anointed1

  Instead of doing what is right, we all do what pleases ourselves—often hurting ourselves and others. Everyone knows that suffering is a mechanism alerting us to avoid further/future harm, yet many are not bothered about. Life-style diseases are on the increase in spite of knowing what causes them.

  The concept I wrote in the OP is actually from the book: If I Were God, I'd End All the Pain (by John Dickson), a nice book that does not make conclusions, but makes us reach a conclusion. It enabled me to reach the conclusion which I put it in the OP.
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  punkofnice

  Are Children born crippled/diseased, uncared for, and dying prematurely proof that God does not exist?

  Yes. This is compelling evidence.

  1) What do children born healthy and well cared for prove?

  Nothing. It's all just random.

  2) What do babies aborted (many of whom might have led a normal healthy life, and some of whom might have contributed much to the society like many scientists, doctors, engineers ....) prove?

  Nothing. Random stuff happens or is caused by people.

  3) What do babies killed in wars (some of which are created for the sake of war) prove?

  Nothing

  What do you mean 'created for the sake of war?' I don't understand. What, like Robo-cop or Universal Soldier??

  My experience is that God is confident of our abilities to solve any problem we experience, and will not listen to our prayers.

  My experience is that there is no evidence for god.

  Question: What would a world without god be like? Answer: We're living in it.
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  Giles Gray

  If we are talking about the god of the bible... it would make him a complete piece of shit, if it was believed that he does exist, being that he indulged in the slaughter of innocent infants.

  But on that one fact that bad things happen to children... no, it would not on its own prove god does not exist. It would just prove that a god is hopelessly incompetent.
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  anointed1

  You have not given serious thought to the question, hence you wrote the above. Answers such as God doesn’t exist, God is indifferent to suffering are not real answers because while there is much evil in the world, there is even more that is good. This is proved by the mere fact that people normally try to hang on to life as long as they can. Furthermore, everyone instinctively recognizes that “good” is a higher order of truth than “bad.” When we read a novel or watch movies we instinctively know that justice would prevail in the end, and when we reach that portion we heave a sigh of relief which is universal—something that is deeply engraved in our very make up.

  If there were to be no suffering, God should always monitor people as though in a Police State. If God always prevented people from exercising their freewill, or always prevented the consequences of their freewill, then human goodness would be mere programming, not true goodness. We do not pat a computer on its head when it executes its program -- it is a determined function, not an exercise of moral responsibility.

  Not all pain is "bad" in the moral sense. We have been endowed with nerve endings that use pain to protect us. Pain keeps us from burning our hands in a campfire, bending our legs back until the joint breaks, neglecting nourishment until we starve, etc. Suffering can also be a direct, just consequence of our own actions. Our sense of justice says that it is "good" when an exploiter loses his friends, even though loneliness is "painful." It is good when a mugger is locked up, even though he "suffers" the loss of his freedom.
  
  
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  punkofnice

  You have not given serious thought to the question, hence you wrote the above.

  That's far too sweeping an assumption. Unless you know me personally and we have had in depth conversations, you cannot assume to tell me what I think. You really have no idea.

  Furthermore, everyone instinctively recognises that “good” is a higher order of truth than “bad.”

  This doesn't make any sense. How do you get from good and bad being degrees of 'truth'. I get some of what you're trying to say but it's just coming over as pretentious musings.

  I don't wish to sound harsh. I'm not sure how else I can put it. I didn't want to be offensive.

  Are you sure this isn't Brahma Kumaris rhetoric?
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  anointed1

  punkofnice,

  Let it be--sometime in the future you will get the point of what I am trying to say.
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  punkofnice

  A1 Let it be--sometime in the future you will get the point of what I am trying to say.

  Not holding breath. Have a nice day though.