Lane Convention, committed suicide because he was gay! (page 2)

cyberguy

Undecided,

Yes, same attorney. When he was not doing his own practice he was doing a lot of work for the Society and brothers such as yourself. Also, he was on the Governing Body (Board of Directors) for a short while, but someone said that he couldn't have been "anointed," and so they kicked him out.

He practiced "law" 24/7, and from what I understand, created a strained relationship with his daughter and son.

He had a drinking problem, was DF'd, later reinstated. Working for the Society at his level, no doubt contributed to his problem, as many Bethel "heavy's" are alchoholics.

stillajwexelder

Tragic -- absolutel ytragic -- maybe one day the whole world will not condemn others because they are different and we can all live together more peacably -- I am the eternal optomist - -I do hope it can be so

SanFranciscoJim

I am very saddened by this report, but not the least bit surprised.

When "A Common Bond" (http://www.gayxjw.org/) the support network for gay & lesbian exJWs, held our first international conference in Washington DC in 1999, one of the speakers asked for a show of hands from the audience how many people knew or knew of at least one JW who had committed suicide. Literally every hand in the room raised. When the speaker then went on to ask how many in the room had attempted suicide themselves, close to half the attendees raised their hands again. I was one of them.

El blanko

He was trying to get some help at a hospital, but it didn't seem to help very much. Anyway, he started using heavy drugs, and no doubt that added to the problem.

Ok - I understand.

I know it is unpopular and I appreciate the struggle people have in this life, but the ideal I have is the Bible's view of sexuality.

I accept that life rarely runs to that ideal at present and that people have to stand by their own convictions.

God is the judge ultimately, not me.

Being pressed towards suicide is a nightmare for anybody to deal with and especially for those who bare feelings of guilt when somebody chooses that particular option.

SanFranciscoJim

I know it is unpopular and I appreciate the struggle people have in this life, but the ideal I have is the Bible's view of sexuality.

el Blanko, as long as people remain misinformed about the Bible's supposed view on homosexuality, the Bible will continue to be used as a weapon by religion to bash gay people across the head. As long as we gay people are continually pummeled with damnation, the end result will be more despair, alcohol and drug abuse, and suicide.

I have studied the Bible in their original Hebrew and Greek for over two decades and have concluded that the so-called condemnations of homosexuality are mistranslations. Please look at an essay I wrote on the subject: http://www.gayxjw.org/bible.html

El blanko

I will read your essay, to see where you are coming from.

I know this may sound crass and crude (I don't mean it to - honestly), but by nature, would you not agree that the sex organs that we have, both male and female, are meant to be used towards each other in a natural way (male - female)? By this very simplistic definition of who we are as sentient beings physically, it has lead me to believe that man & woman are the way God chose us to be originally.

RAYZORBLADE

El Blanko, what Jim wrote or at least has provided a link to, is quite impressive.

As for DarkUncle29, his sexuality does NOT bother his conscience; that is a fundie remark if I ever heard one. Sorry, that's how it comes across, and we've heard it all before.

A person committed suicide.

Do we sit back and make moral judgement and/or ambiguous replies, clouding over what's really a very sad and tragic situation.

Suicide, in relation to the WTBTS is not, of course, not just a 'gay' crisis from within, it happens to other members of their congregations. Dansk posted a thread about a specific case, which lead to many people on this forum, opening their hearts about the sadness and despair that they incurred as Jehovah's Witnesses.

It's interesting how people, those that claim to hold the bible as the 'be all and end all', can either be the most judgemental or Christ-like, and not a whole lot of in-between. Jesus, from what I recall, hung out with the 'sinners', and criticized and challenged the 'priests' in the temple. Yes, those that carried out judgements and were so biblically scholarly, only to be given a 'good swift kick' by Jesus himself.

If I had my choice of hanging out with religious folks, I'd dare to guess, the Jesus would be a 'cool' guy, and would probably be worthy of hanging out with, not like some human beings full of 'Jesus' and 'Jehovah' like today.

El blanko

Blind Zebra

Of course, that is an interesting question. Which I am not qualified to answer in terms of "did I choose" ... I am what I am. Now, whether another person was born homosexual, I am also not qualified to answer that question. I understand that some members of the human race appear to have a genetic predisposition towards male or female tendencies, regardless of the host body.

What I am more interested in, to be frank with you, is what God requires of us and our bodily functions. You know this already, as you were most likely of that mind in the past.

Sexuality has become so intense amongst us, that it is distorting our greater qualities and aspirations within this life. It is even removing us so far from the source of life (IMO of course) that we are even having this debate.

Individualism and aspiring to be God-men (leading ourselves according to our own instinctual or perverse desire) is only creating a tangible chaos that echos across the human psyche, creating more in the way of division amongst us. This is the world we are now defining as a race by not adhering to what I perceive to be God's standards.

You are entitled to your opinion, but as you probably view me as being intolerent, I view your tolerance as being a destructive entity within itself.

wednesday

well,thank God no one reads my posts, b/c if they did, somone would have surely commented on what i said.

El blanko

Razorblade: The Jesus you define doesn't exist. Jesus is the highest ranked spirit creature and will follow through on Gods judgements to the final letter. Do not mistake yourself. He may have been understanding when he walked the earth and showed the religious authorities up for what they were. How do you think he will deal with people who are marked for termination? Believe me, I too could be on that list.

Fundamentalism - are you trying to insult me by implying that I belong to that school of thought & behaviour? If that is the case, you really do not insult me. I have a lot of respect for anybody who adheres to standards.

I do wish you peace by the way, I have no reason to war with anybody here, but I will stand my ground.

Lane Convention, committed suicide because he was gay!

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