My rights are the opposite of my lefts. At least shoe and glove makers know about rights!
just saying!
What Are Your Rights?
by Simon 121 Replies latest jw friends
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Incognigo Montoya
Kim Davis was voted in to be an agent of the government. She should've conformed to government policy when she took office. If she could not, she shouldve resigned, or been thrown in jail for refusal to comply. She ultimately was thrown in jail, and her clerks started issuing licenses without her name. Notably she didn't just refuse to issue gay couples marriage licenses, but all couples, because she disagreed with the federal courts order to issue marriage liscenses to same sex couples. She didn't discriminate, choosing instead to deny all couples marriage licenses in protest of the federal courts decision. Completely different scenario. But, in a similar scenario, If the pharmacist works for Walgreens, and its their policy to provide birth control and the pharmacist refuses, its walgreens right to fire him, or provide another pharmacist who will fill the script. If however, it's the pharmacists pharmacy, a private business, it's his right to sell or not sell what he chooses.
While true, You can't, nor should you, discriminate, and refuse to sell products you carry to someone based on their skin color or sexual orientation, you can, and you should be able to refuse to sell an item because you choose not to.
You can make up hypothetical situations, or cherry pick anomalous incidents that, while wrong, and need to be dealt with, aren't the norm. What about all the other county clerks who were issuing marriage liscenses, indiscriminately? There are 95 counties in Tenn. If you were really hot to get a license, there were 94 other places you could've gotten one... Rules and Regs, the incident you cited happened back in 2014. While she remained county clerk, as voted in by her constituents, she and the government found a compromise and worked around the issue. As of January 1 2019, she is no longer the county clerk, as a new cc was took office. Problem resolved and the world moves on. Except you, and those who want to rehash it in an effort to point out how unfair it is.
If you want a free society, you have to allow people the right to make choices. You can not shield them from the pecuniary consequences of those choices (nor should they be). If you dont like their business practices, vote with your wallet. Take your business elsewhere. But you shouldn't be able to force them to abide by your wishes by taking them to court and make them sell you what you want. You can not have it both ways. You want the right to sleep with who you want? The right to decide your sexual orientation? The right to believe what you will? Those same rights give others the right to disagree with you. If you dont want me forcing my beliefs on you, you cant force me to conform to your beliefs.
Live and let live.
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Simon
Yes, the Kentucky Clerk refusing to do the job is in the role of a government agent and she has no right to refuse to do that. She should either quit or be fired if she refuses to perform her duties. If her conscience doesn't allow her to do that job, she shouldn't get to do it - but someone else should in her place so people are not denied their right to service from the government.
For a pharmacist, it depends if it is their pharmacy or not. There's no problem if they chose to sell or not sell anything for whatever reason, it's their right. If they are just an employee, the employer should have the right to fire them if they refuse to do their job - so same situation then as the clerk (except with the clerk the employer is the government which is where the right should force them to fire the clerk and hire someone else). The pharmacist may decide to compromise and say "OK, we'll have someone else handle those sales" but it's up to them based on whether the employee is otherwise worth keeping around and they respect their stance or not or if it's too onerous on the business. They should not face any prosecution if they decide they would rather get someone who can do they job they are paid for though. It's like flight attendants that decide they don't want to serve drinks - that's a major part of the job, if you don't think you can do it, sod off.
If you boil things down to the basics, all the contradictions and difficult situations go away because they are created by having contradictory rules. Almost like the legal profession creates situations they can profit from. Say it ain't so ...
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oppostate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBShN8qT4lk
Beastie Boys - (You Gotta) Fight For Your Right (To Party)
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new boy
Yes, George Carlin had this one right.
There is no such thing as "rights."
As he said, there is only "temporary privileges"
They can't be "rights" if they can be taken away.
Any government including this one can take them away at a drop of the hat....or presidential degree.
Oh, and lets not forget something called "Marshall law" what are your rights then?
Temporary privileges is what we are enjoying now......they will never be rights.
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RULES & REGULATIONS
Illinois Attorney General Sues Suburban Express For Alleged Discrimination, Harassment
- Suburban Express operates shuttles from the University of Illinois Champaign-Urbana campus to the Chicago suburbs and O’Hare airport. It also serves Illinois State University.SUBURBAN EXPRESS / FACEBOOK
Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan has announced a lawsuit against the private bus company Suburban Express for alleged human rights violations.
Madigan’s civil rights bureau had been investigating the company for possible violations of the Illinois Human Rights Act after an email was sent to customers in December saying they would find “passengers like you. You won’t feel like you’re in China when you’re on our buses.”
She said she found years of discriminatory practices, including findings that owner Dennis Toeppin relentlessly harassed customers involved in disputes and posted personal financial information of those who negatively reviewed his company.
“This is not a one-off," Madigan said. "This is a serious history—years long—of continued, repeated violations of our civil rights laws and our consumer protection laws.”
While true, You can't, nor should you, discriminate, and refuse to sell products you carry to someone based on their skin color or sexual orientation, you can, and you should be able to refuse to sell an item because you choose not to.
Just because you are a privately-owned company, DOESN'T mean you can violate civil rights laws and consumer protection laws because the business doesn't need to answer to anyone. ''Take your business somewhere else'' solution and harassing customers is a discriminatory practice. -
Incognigo Montoya
Lol... dude, it's not my fault you cant see reason and clearly the difference between a pharmacist refusing to sell a product he doesn't believe in, to anyone, and a tour bus company owner who says hateful discriminatory things towards a certain race of people AND harasses those who oppose him by posting private information about them in an obvious effort to try and hurt them.
If you refuse to see the difference, you're a lost cause.
I'm finished here. Have a great day!
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Biahi
I’m with Rules and reg, I think people should just DO THEIR JOB and not second guess what customers want. What if you are Muslim and a checker at a grocery store, should you refuse to ring up customers who have pork or alcohol in their carts? How about a JW mailman, can he refuse to deliver birthday and Christmas cards because they “offend” him? Don’t get me started on pharmacists, if they won’t fill a morning after pill script, do they also refuse to fill viagra to unmarried men, or birth control pills to unmarried women. People should just DO THEIR JOB and get over themselves.
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JeffT
So can I walk into a vegan restaurant, order a steak and sue them when they don't serve me?
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RULES & REGULATIONS
So can I walk into a vegan restaurant, order a steak and sue them when they don't serve me?
If you walked into a vegan restaurant, you would not find steak on the menu. If you walked into a steakhouse, and you plan on paying your check, there should not be one reason why they should deny you service when you walk in.
