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  Earnest

  South Africa’s crime statistics for 2017/18 were released in parliament on 11 September 2018. They cover the period 1 April 2017 to 31 March 2018.
  

  In that period there were 20,336 murders, which amounted to an average of 56 people murdered every day.

  In that period the police recorded 62 murders on farms or smallholdings. Of those murdered, 52 were the owners or occupiers of the farm/smallholding, 9 were farm workers and one was a farm manager. Forty-two murders took place on farms, 15 on smallholdings and one at a cattle post.

  46 of the murder victims were white.

  There is no doubt that farms and smallholdings are targeted by criminals due to their isolation and the perception of wealth. However, suggestions of a white genocide should be put in the context of South African crime overall. In this context the number of murders on farms and smallholdings accounted for 0.3% of the total murder rate in South Africa. And the number of white victims on farms/smallholdings is even less (0.23%).

  There is no white genocide but it makes the headlines and feeds the propaganda of white supremacists in South Africa and elsewhere. The crime statistics can be verified here and here.
  
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  Diogenesister

  you have something concrete to add, feel free to join in the conversation but if you're just going to add smear attacks and innuendo, you can fuck off and expect your posts to follow you.

  Why is his opinion not " concrete" enough because he doesn't agree with you?

  Simon So it's worth being nasty to an interesting poster over a woman with zero crediblity and who has an almost pathologically " I'm alright Jack fuck you" attitude. Without reality TV she's so obnoxious she'd be unemployable herself. Get fucking real here....I don't know about the message, I'll look into it.

  But the messenger? She's a Grade A bitch.
  As for saying the things no one else will, some people DO hide their racism behind their politics. She's one such.

  Ben Shapiro or a Jordan Peterson she is NOT.
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  LoveUniHateExams

  @Earnest - yes, the percentage of murder victims who are white is tiny.

  But I think you're being a bit too hasty to dismiss the idea of a genocide against whites.

  From wiki ...

  Statistics South Africa asks people to describe themselves in the census in terms of five racial population groups.[171] The 2011 census figures for these groups were: Black African at 79.2%, White at 8.9%, Coloured at 8.9%, Asian at 2.5%, and Other/Unspecified at 0.5%.[5]:21 The first census in South Africa in 1911 showed that whites made up 22% of the population; this had declined to 16% by 1980.[172]

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa#Demographics
  

  1911 ... 22%

  1980 ... 16%

  2011 ... 8.9%

  So, at a certain point in the future, whites will no longer exist in S. Africa.

  Isn't that a slow-burn genocide?
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  Earnest

  LUHE : Isn't [a decrease in percentage of population] a slow-burn genocide?

  If that decrease in population had been caused by murder or serious bodily harm it could be classified as genocide. However, the decrease in percentage of population is caused, firstly, because whites have a lower fertility rate to blacks. In 2011 the total fertility rate of whites was 1.7 which is below the replacement rate. The fertility rate of blacks was 2.82. Secondly, since 1994 there have been a large number of immigrants from southern and central Africa while at the same time there has been an net emigration of whites.

  LUHE : So, at a certain point in the future, whites will no longer exist in S. Africa.

  A lower percentage of population does not necessarily indicate a decrease in population. Between 2001 and 2011 the white population increased by 293,198 (6.6%). During the same period the black population increased by 5,584,772 (14.62%). So there was a lower percentage of whites but not a lower number.

  The use of the word genocide relating to South African whites is false and inflammatory.
  
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  LoveUniHateExams

  If that decrease in population had been caused by murder or serious bodily harm it could be classified as genocide. However, the decrease in percentage of population is caused, firstly, because whites have a lower fertility rate to blacks - fertility rate is not the only factor.

  while at the same time there has been an net emigration of whites - yes, emigration of whites is another factor.

  Why are white S Africans emigrating?

  This leads us on to yet another factor - the one you missed - anti-white violence, rape and murder.

  So there was a lower percentage of whites but not a lower number - yes, I understand that the number of whites increased while the percentage of whites went down.

  Nevertheless, note the following downward trajectory of % of whites over time:

  1911 ... 22%

  1980 ... 16%

  2011 ... 8.9%

  ... if this trend continues, at some future point whites will make up 0% of S. Africa's population.

  There is a belief among some black S Africans that whites don't belong in Africa. There are black South Africans aware of the whites' low % and want to wipe them out. Some act on that in terrible ways. Others merely inflame those genocidal sentiments to rise to political power.

  You aren't just ignoring all this; it seems you're flat out denying it.
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  Earnest

  LUHE : Why are white S Africans emigrating?

  White South Africans leave for a multitude of reasons. I left because I wanted to see the world. My brother left so his children could get a better education. Most of those I know who emigrated did so for economic reasons. Some leave due to crime and/or corruption. None of this has anything to do with genocide.

  LUHE : There is a belief among some black S Africans that whites don't belong in Africa.

  That's true and it has always been so. Did you know the African millenial movements believed that in 1914 God would rid Africa of the white man? However, my personal observation of life in South Africa today is that there is far more harmony among the races than there has ever been. Unfortunately, it is the minority of cases that get the publicity which is sometimes fanned for political reasons. Why think that when blacks are raped and murdered that is criminal, but when whites are raped and murdered that is political? That is perverse.
  
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  LoveUniHateExams

  Some leave due to crime and/or corruption. None of this has anything to do with genocide - but it might do if the people committing the rapes/murders also want a genocide against whites.

  Why think that when blacks are raped and murdered that is criminal, but when whites are raped and murdered that is political? - because blacks getting raped & murdered by other blacks is criminal; whites getting raped & murdered by blacks who may or may not want a genocide against whites has a political aspect to it. (We're talking about South Africa.)

  And you don't want to consider the figures over time and discuss likely outcomes, so I'll repeat it:

  Note the following downward trajectory of % of whites over time ...

  1911 ... 22%

  1980 ... 16%

  2011 ... 8.9%

  ... if this trend continues, at some future point whites will make up 0% of S. Africa's population, right?
  
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  Earnest

  LUHE : And you don't want to consider the figures over time and discuss likely outcomes

  I thought I had clarified this in my earlier post when I said that

  Between 2001 and 2011 the white population increased by 293,198 (6.6%). During the same period the black population increased by 5,584,772 (14.62%). So there was a lower percentage of whites but not a lower number.

  The figures below show the white population since 1911 (the first census) and the % of total population:

  1911 : 1,270,000 22.7%

  1960 : 3,088,492 19.3%
  

  1970 : 3,792,848 17.1%
  

  1980 : 4,522,000 18.1%
  

  1991 : 5,068,300 13.4%

  2001 : 4,293,640 9.6%
  

  2011 : 4,586,838 8.9%

  LUHE : ... if this trend continues, at some future point whites will make up 0% of S. Africa's population, right?

  Wrong. It is likely that it will make up a diminishing % of the total population but the number of whites continues to increase. There is no reason to believe, as you suggest, that "at a certain point in the future, whites will no longer exist in S. Africa.".
  
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  LoveUniHateExams

  Wrong. It is likely that it will make up a diminishing % of the total population but the number of whites continues to increase - you have a point, strictly speaking.

  But you seem determined to ignore the virulent anti-white racism in SA society.

  There is violence and rape everywhere in SA and that kinda stuff could well cause many whites to flee.

  There could also be a future genocide - let's face it, the anti-white racism in SA provides fertile ground.
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  dogisgod

  Are we forgetting how the white Dutch stole their farms from the indigenous people.....in the same manner?