JUSTICE #6 - Stumbling the Least of These

by Amazing 13 Replies latest jw friends

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    WOE TO THOSE WHO STUMBLE THE LEAST OF THESE

    "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"

    [Note: This is a sickening story, and goes to the heart of why many youth among JWs end up leaving their religion. The long term harm is not possible to measure. Finally, it shows how seriously flawed the Watch Tower teachings and policies are with respect to parenting, and how they override the normal and healthful actions of everyday good parents.]

    I received a call from a close friend. He told me that his 14 year old son was facing a Judicial Committee. He called because the Elders also wanted to talk to me as part of their investigation. Why?

    The brother's other younger son and my youngest son, ages 5 and 6 had been counseled by the brother and myself because they had engaged in some wrong suggestions. They had actually done nothing because we stopped them before anything happened. The event had taken place a few months earlier, and we as parents felt that our counseling of the boys and a period of separation was adequate to deal with it.

    The next evening I approached one of the Elders about this and wanted to know what their concern was. Since I was serving as an Elder, they were quite open with me.

    It seems the 14 year old boy had been caught engaged in an act that is common to boys his age. He was also in the company of another unbaptized boy. The unbaptized fellow was also being raised as a JW. They were not doing anything with each other, but let's say they were gazing at the some forbidden literature that contains pictures young boys entering puberty would find fascinating. Let's also say that these pictures were enabling them to fantasize while they stimulated themselves.

    The Elders were concerned because the 5 year old younger brother had suggested to my son, while staying the night, that they try this particular self-induced stimulation. My youngest son did not know what he was talking about. Nevertheless the Elders felt that I and the other brother should have brought our 5 and 6 year old sons to them rather than counseling them ourselves.

    I disagreed because the matter was not serious. Nothing really happened. And such young boys, not being baptized, surely only needed the counsel of their dads. [I was always a little bit of a Maverick in this respect.]

    The Elders took a different view. They felt that because two sons in the same family, the 14 year old and the 5 year old exhibited the same tendency toward things of a sexual nature, and because they also learned that the oldest son, about 19 years old at the time, had also engaged in the same type of self stimulation sometime earlier, that the whole family had a problem. [A bunch of masturbaters!] They were also concerned because now one of their sons (the 5 years old) was now trying to spread his thinking to my son. They saw this family as having a bad influence.

    The Elders felt that ‘had they known about the situation of our youngest sons’ they may have been able to prevent the 14 year old son from engaging in self-stimulation. [Choke, cough, errr -not] As it was, he was seen in serious trouble, not just because of self-stimulation, and use of fascinating photographs, but the other boy his age was also influenced to try the same thing.

    The Elders dropped the matter with my son, but with the strong warning that in the future if I learn of boys who have been stimulating themselves, then the congregation should know about it. (Meaning report it to the Elders to determine if congregation action is needed [in cases of masturbation?]).

    When the 14 year old boy faced the committee, he did not show the usual signs of repentance. The Elders he faced were each at least 3 times the boy's age, all in their mid-40s. They could not get him to admit that what he did was all that serious, and he did not display the type of emotional reaction that would show he was truly sorry[as might an adult]. He agreed that he sinned, but he could not assure the Elders that he would NEVER stimulate himself ever again.

    He was scared. He did not understand that the Elders were simply looking for a commitment that he be resolved to avoid this self-stimulation conduct again. He thought they meant that he guarantee that he never again do this for his entire life. He felt that such a promise might not always be kept.

    It was Tuesday night and the congregation was gathering in as the TM School was about to start. The chairman of the Judicial Committee came up to me and asked to talk in the back room. He asked if I could make an announcement at the start of the Service Meeting. I agreed and he handed me a letter.

    I read it, and saw that it was a signed letter by the Judicial Committee notifying the congregation that the 14 year old boy is now disfellowshipped. I asked why they wanted me to read it since I was not actually on that committee. He said the Elders who were on the committee felt ill about the decision they had to make, and did not want to read the letter.

    I inquired if they uncovered other conduct besides self-stimulation, that warranted disfellowshipping. They said no, but that the boy's lack of comprehension of his act led to the decision. I did not have to ask because I already knew from talking with the dad, but I wanted to hear the Elder confirm it. I went ahead and read the announcement. The 14 year boy had just been baptized 5 months earlier. He was putting in Pioneer hours waiting to be appointed to Regular Pioneer.

    He and his parents met with the Elders two or three times each year after this, for a couple of years. The boy went to all the meetings with his parents. He avoided all 'worldly’ friends to show he was ‘no part of the world.’ He accepted being shunned by his JW friends to show his repentance [in other words, no friends at all for a young teenager!!!]. He studied the Watchtower magazine and prepared for book study. He sat in quietly on the family study.

    Each subsequent meeting with the Elders was the same. They just did not see where the boy fully understood his wrong conduct. They felt he needed more time. A few months would go by and they would meet again. Each time the Elders were not convinced just yet. He needed just a little more time.

    Eventually, 7 years elapsed. The boy went without friends, and had kept up the same effort to be reinstated. He finally gave up trying. At age 21 he not only lost faith in the Watch Tower religion, but also lost faith in God and abandoned his family. He got married to a non-JW girl. His parents were crushed that they lost their son to the "world." They briefly went through a period of questioning the Elders, but decided to stick by Jehovah's organization, even though they could not understand themselves what the Elders were looking for.

    Three boys in a family all being aware of or engaging in self-stimulation was too much for the Elders. They felt that this was a serious trend in one family and surely indicated some serious spiritual flaw.

    The Watchtower magazine warned about this conduct as far back as 1973 and before. They warned of the serious dangers and now see this young boy had become another casualty in the war against masturbation. [later on, on H20, Farkel posted a most humorous copy of that article accompanied by his sparkling comments. LOL It is a must read for any of you who have come to understand the sexual frustrations JWs go through.]Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.!

    Supplemental comments not in the first post to H20: Since I first wrote this article, the younger brother of this boy, the one who had some sex talk with my son, also left the organization. He called my sons recently and said that he was out of the JWs. His older sister also left the organization. The oldest son left his wife and married another JW girl. He is still a JW.

    Because near the end of my association with the JWs, I loudly protested this issue, especially with the parents, they became very appreciative of me. And this strengthened our friendship. They were among the good friends who stuck by us after we walked away from the organization. Eventually, however, they chose to shun me a few months after it was announced that I was DA’d. On occasion, they will call my oldest daughter to see how things are. But I no longer hear from them, nor do they ever send any greeting. A few others send greetings anyway.

    Summary The sadness in this story is how a young man went 7 years without friends. How Elders expected the impossible of him, such that he lost faith. This harm to his normal socialization and adjustment during youth will likely follow him the rest of his life. If I get a chance, I will give him my apology for even reading his DF letter. I hope that he has adjusted well for his sake. – Amazing

  • BoozeRunner
    BoozeRunner

    TRULY DISGUSTING!!!

    nuff said,
    Boozy

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    I agree Booz Runner, that this is disgusting, yet in the next of the Justice Series, there is more disgust to come. - Amazing

  • OrangeBlossom
    OrangeBlossom

    Un-Freekin-Believable!

    My dad use to have a saying concerning masturbation..."Anyone who says they never did, still does." I miss that old coot! May he rest in peace.

  • bigboi
    bigboi

    Hey All:

    The sick bastards. If you can't love yourself, then who in the heel can you love? Anyway i think this post is an excellent example of how bias towards the accused plays a part in the whole jw judicial process. I bet those guys would have loved to get rid of that whole family. Amzing do you have any more experiences of this type of bias?

    ONE....

    Bigboi

    "it ain't what ya do. it's how you do it" quote from the song "True Honeybunz" by Bahamadia

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    Hi Bigboi: You asked, "Amzing do you have any more experiences of this type of bias?"

    Yes, tons.

    I think that if the 14 year old boy had been caught alone masturbating using pornography, he might not have been DF'd, but still could have been because pron was involved. But, because he and his unbaptized JW friend were sharing the same magazines as they masturbated, then this seems to have made the issue more problematic in the eyes of the Elders.

    Yet, these Elders seem to forget that boys at this age will do these things, even together, and it does not mean they are perverts, or molesters, or some other devient. They are learning and experimenting. I believe that parental intervention to guide and train in a calm and caring fashion is all that is needed.

    The sad thing here is that these Elders moved away from common sense, and begin to legislate where it was not needed or desired. And if there was a problem beyond what boys normally do, then a trained tharapist in conjunction with the parents would be the best route to take. The worse thing these men did was to shame this boy through his most formative years.

    I will add some new posts to my Justice Series on additional bias after I post number 13. - Amazing

  • wasasister
    wasasister

    Dear Amazing:
    I chose this thread at random only to renew my appreciation for your series. I read them when I first found H2O and was shocked at how accurate they were from my own knowledge. I had been close enough to the judicial process in my years as a faithful Dub to have seen many of these same things. The elders in my last congregation occasionally took me into their confidence when dealing with sisters, probably to their credit that they even considered getting a woman's point of view.

    However, their utter lack of training in dealing with real human suffering is the real "Amazing" thing about your examples. These often uneducated and ignorant men are in a position of unquestioned authority merely because they know how to work the system. To allow these individuals such control over people's lives is an outrage.

    The story of the 14 year old boy who could not swear to the elders he would never self-stimulate reminds me of a sad situation involving a faithful pioneer sister:

    This sister, an unusually attractive 50 year old, had pioneered for many years. She was married to an equally attractive and dynamic brother who owned a number of successful businesses. The brother often employed Witnesses and was thought of as being very helpful. The brother was also known to enjoy a "party" life-style, along with other wealthy brothers who could afford to entertain on boats and in nice restaurants. Eventually, the heavy drinking at these parties was talked about, but nothing official was ever done to stop it. The pioneer sister began to be bothered by the worldly nature of the gatherings, and decided quite suddenly to stop drinking. She also did not go along on the ski trips or yacht excursions.

    Her husband continued to attend without her. One of his employees, a Witness several years younger, married to a non-Witness with three small children, became a regular guest. She soon divorced her husband, the brother left his pioneer wife, and the two got married, and of course, were disfellowshipped.

    The pioneer sister was devastated. She felt used and abandoned. During the many years she was married, she had always wanted a child, but her husband did not and so she put aside her natural need to be a mother because he felt so strongly about the issue. Now, she had to watch her ex-husband drive around with his new wife's three kids in a late model luxury car, while she drove a broken down Pinto and lived in near poverty.

    (As a side note, the rich brother's good friend and my employer at the time, helped him hide his assets from the sister during the divorce proceedings. I saw this first-hand but was helpless to stop it. The sister was so emotional and depressed over being dumped that she did not look out for her financial interests. She ended up clerking in a store and sharing an apartment with another sister. Although she had been a regular pioneer for many years, none of her wealthy former friends would help her.)

    The sister was so lonely that eventually she ended up socializing with a group of "weak" single sisters. These ladies would go out on the weekends line dancing or doing other single-type activities. As you might imagine, the first male to come along and be kind to her took her to bed. She immediately confessed to the elders, tearful and truly repentant. They asked her the million dollar question: "Can you promise that this will NEVER happen again?" Since she had not one dishonest cell in her body, she could not bring herself to lie about the possibility she might be weak again. She failed to give them a guarantee and they disfellowshipped her.

    A few months later, her husband and his new wife were reinstated. They bought a big expensive house in a sub-division where other witnesses lived. She came to a few assemblies after that and had to watch silently as people greeted the new wife and as her former husband played with the children she would never have.

    This story is true. I know parts of it from first-hand observation, from talking many times with the pioneer sister, and from an elder who confided much of the committee facts after leaving.

    Keep them coming, Amazing. Maybe I will, too.

    (edited for typos...should never type angry)

  • esther
    esther

    I did not know that masturbating was a disfellowshipping offence. It shouldn't be. But even if he had done something worse, a 14 year old is not old enough to sign a legal contract, so according to worldly authorities, cannot be held to one. The WTS as ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT to disfellowship a 14-year-old. The child was just doing what came naturally, anyway. It is not as if he deliberately flouted the WTS's inane laws. To put a child in the intolerable position of not being allowed to have any friends at all is wicked. No, it is downright evil. [>:(]

    esther
    edited the emoticon twice

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    HI Esther:

    You asked, "I did not know that masturbating was a disfellowshipping offence. It shouldn't be."

    Normally, masturbation has not been a DF offense. I believe that the Aug. 74 Watchtower Questions from Readers even allowed for Elders to have a "temporary bout" with it, but then must conquer it so they can remain an Elder.

    The event with the 14 year old boy took place in 1984. And they had not at that time modified the policy. What I believe was the catch that placed it into a DF issue for these Elders was two things: 1) The boy used pronography, and 2) he was with another unbaptized JW boy as they both masturbated together. Once it moved from the totally 'private' type of secret sin to one shared with another person, albeit, they did not touch each other that I know of, then this made it more serious in the Elder's minds.

    You continued, "But even if he had done something worse, a 14 year old is not old enough to sign a legal contract, so according to worldly authorities, cannot be held to one. The WTS as ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT to disfellowship a 14-year-old."

    You are 100% correct! This is the most basic aspect of the issue. A minor, at least one under 18 years old, should only be dealt with by parents. The only excpetions might be where a minor commits a serious felony, such as murder, robbery, rape. Then the courts need to be involved. But when this happens, the whole world knows, child services gets involved, defense attorneys, psychologists, etc. The whole system is set up to deal with all aspects of the interests of the child and the victims.

    But, for an act of masturbation, even one shared by two young boys, the authorities would never be involved. If, for example a teacher caught these boys at school, then the parents would be notified and encouraged to get the boys counseling. But that would be about it, as long as no crime was being committed. When I was a kid, if a teacher caught us doing something like that, say in the school bathroom, they would just ask us to do it at home, and chase us out of the restroom. That would have been it.

    You noted, "The child was just doing what came naturally, anyway. It is not as if he deliberately flouted the WTS's inane laws. To put a child in the intolerable position of not being allowed to have any friends at all is wicked. No, it is downright evil."

    I agree with you 100%. After I read the announcement DFing this boy, I stood back and wondered what we thought we were accomplishing. Although I was not on the JC, I felt bad even reading the announcement. I hoped at the time that they would reinstate him in a few months. When that did not happen, I spoke up, but was told that it was being handled. About the time I was commencing my exit plan from the organization 7 years later, I strongly urged the parents to move to another congregation and expose this sham. They agreed with me, but eventually decided to 'trust' Jehovah's Organization.

    This is a serious tragedy, and one that I can never forget. It is among the many issues that helped me see that the Watch Tower religion is not only a sham, but a fraud, and a religion that needs to go away. It is a borderline criminal religion. - Amazing

  • Londo111
    Londo111

    marked

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