1879-1916 WT Tidbits--Then and Now (page 2)

gumby

What had happened to those men? They had allowed personal theories and fascination with popular philosophies of men to lead them astray from the Word of God.

So let me see if I have this correct. There was RUSSELL....and 5 other contributors mentioned. These other 5 had opinions different than RUSSELL did........and because of this, they went "astray" from god.

Ah........true to Watchtower style!!!!!!! Always believing in their heart RUSSELL had special significence. Anyone who strayed from RUSSELL , strayed from god. A cult to the max.

Gumby

ozziepost

Another point that the average dub would not realise is that for the first two years of the Watchtower's existence, Russell remained as editor or deputy editor of the Adventist journal, thus further confirming the Borg's Adventist roots.

simwitness

RR,

While I agree that maybe that first paragraph should be included, how does it prove that Russell did not feel that the studies were atleast as important as the bible itself, when the second paragraph so clearly states that?

IMO, the first is setting up the difficulty while the second paragraph is giving the "solution"... a common advertising scenario.

Also, the reason the quote is so valuable as is, is it shows that the WTBS upon abandoning Russels writings quickly went into darkness, and how arrogant the WTBS was from it's very inception.

All of this, is of course, the very opposite of what the article I quoted from in the previous post was attempting to say.

The reality is, without the "whole picture" of what the organization itself represents and teaches, any single article is fairly reasonable and balanced of its own accord. It is the whole that makes it what it is. (This only applies to thier scriptural teachings, and not to thier science and views of world history).

RR

gumby said:

So let me see if I have this correct. There was RUSSELL....and 5 other contributors mentioned. These other 5 had opinions different than RUSSELL did........and because of this, they went "astray" from god.

Ah, this is how much you all know about Watch Tower history.

The events of this article was in regards to the schism of 1909/10. When a few prominent ones had decided that Russell was wrong on certain beliefs regarding the covenants, and atonement. They separated. They were not kicked out, as Russell was very tolerant of those who represented the Society who had differing views. But they left and began to cause a ruckus, splitting up classes. It was probably the biggest split next to the one after Russell's death.

Russell's view was "if you've found something better, good for you, we're happy." He didn't understand why certain ones had do be so destructive and cause trouble. he viewed such ones as unchristlike because of their behaviour.

As to the contributors? there hadn't been contributors to the Watchtower in decades since this date, as the editorial committee had been done away with leaving Russell as main editor.

RR

Another point that the average dub would not realise is that for the first two years of the Watchtower's existence, Russell remained as editor or deputy editor of the Adventist journal, thus further confirming the Borg's Adventist roots.

And you have proof of this? I have copies of "The Herald of the Morning" that Russell was co-editor of. When he left in 1878, and formed "Zion's atch Tower" he was no longer editor of contributor. His name appears no one in "The Herald of the Morning" after 1878. RR

RR

Sim, Ever been to a Christian bookstore? Christian theologians, ministers, scholars and laymen have been expounding on the scriptures for the past two thousand years. They all believe they have a better insight into the scriptures, something to contribute, or we wouldn't have all these books on the shelves. Why should Pastor Russell's view be any different?

If the Watchtower today continued to publish Russell writings and reflect hsi character and views, they wouldn't be having all the problems they have today.

RR

gumby

I'm wondering why RR has ANY special concern over Russell period.

Russell was a man like everyone else. God.....according to the bible.....doesn't NEED any man to accomplish his goals. He sent his son who was to complete his messages to man, other than his "word". Why does a group follow a course a man set, when god sent his OWN 'man' to teach? To study up on Russell with a view it has some life imparting message, is to go beyond scripture.

Gumby.....(speaking from a biblical view ......not necessarily my own)

minimus

Charles Taze Russell was that "faithful slave", silly.

jst2laws

Gumby,

Like Blondie said, the objective is to educate JW's regarding the roots of the WT, not necessarily to pick on Russell.

While I no longer hold to Russell's teachings ( was just another millennialism ) we can not blame him for what the Watchtower later became. It was Rutherford, and in my mind Freddie Franz who made the WT the cult it is today.

Steve

RR

I met a friend of yours, I think, at BRCI a couple of years ago who was working on making the E-sword program work with the WT publications. Do you know more about this and if the program is ready?

Steve

RR

Steve, you talking about Jeff. Yes I know him well, one of my best buddies, I'll see him next month in Columbus, OH. This is the first I've heard of this. I know he works with the Online Bible and he's put the NWT, the Insight books and the proclaimers book in that format. I'm not sure about the e-sword. I'll ask him.

He's been very busy, writing, researching, working and gong to school. I'll get back to you!

RR

1879-1916 WT Tidbits--Then and Now

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