Does the Watchtower Doctrine exist?

by family_man 38 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • family_man
    family_man

    I am trying to learn as much as I can for my wife's sake. She has started to attend a Kingdom Hall. It's a Spanish one. Are they different than English ones, or is all the extreme controll and deceit mentioned on the forum something that only comes out when it's too late.

    What is the WT doctrine? I have heard this before and seen it mentioned on this website. Why when I asked my wife's sister about it [JW of course] why did she act as it did not exist.

    Why hasn't my wife mentioned the door to door and the logging of hours yet?

    Right now it seems harmless but something wicked is brewing and I can feel'our familiy unravelling. On the surface all is calm, but deep down there is something eirie behind theri suits and dresses and wide grins.

    For now Birthday's are still safe, but I'm worried the brainwashing will work. Is the WT as dangerous as you all say? What do they gain from their control? I obviously am not a JW nor desire to become one, but I will fight to keep my wife from faling into this organization. I need to win her back to keep my family toghether.

    Sorry for the rambling but I don't know where to begin to understand their motives and methods.

  • dustyb
    dustyb

    WT doctrine is man made....all you need to know

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    Is the WT as dangerous as you all say? YesWhat do they gain from their control? They get to mark down on their card a successful book study. The WTBTS has another magazine-peddler.

    The worst part is, as scary as we say it is trying to YANK her out will backlash. She has probably already been warned that there will be opposition, and this opposition is from Satan.

    Overnight you will turn from loving husband to follower of Satan.

    The trick is to get involved, quickly, in everything she is doing. Think of the WTBTS as the "other man" in her life, who has been paying inappropriate attention to her.

    Attend the book studies. Attend all the meetings. Take notes of any bigoted remarks about the "world" during the meeting (not hard). Ask earnest questions. Keep your manner calm and reasonable at all times. Make plans to spend more time with your wife away from the studies, such as shopping, going out for dinner, and social events. Gently, gently, encourage your wife to make up her own mind on things - even if in the short term it seems she is getting more involved in the society.

  • Sargon
    Sargon

    Lets see if I can answer your questions:

    What is the WT doctrine

    To make a long answer short... Armageddons coming. This is the battle where jesus destroys alll of mankind except the 144,ooo lucky ones who go to heaven and form a government with Jesus to rule over those of mankind deemed worthy to survive Armageddon. how do we survive Armageddon... according to WTS theology faith and works. Faith in the Governing Body (board of Directors) of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. And works, getting as many hours in the field as possible hawking the corporations literature.

    Your wife hasn't mentioned the door to door yet because she's a newbie, as such she is being eased into the religion. At present other people are racking up service hours teaching her what the religions all about. The ultimate goal is baptism. After getting dunked in the fish tank your wife will try to rack up her hour total as well.

    Eventually your wife will be so programmed that her salvation is more important than anything else in her life including your family unit.

  • Sargon
    Sargon

    I forgot to mention... after armageddon, jesus comes back in 1000 years and again destroys those deemed unworthy. Nice loving religion...Huh??

  • dustyb
    dustyb

    btw, JW's don't relly believe in the grace of god....they don't believe in grace at all, they expect everyone to die a horrible firey death...

  • Mysterious
    Mysterious

    ALL of the watchtower is the same insidious and manipulative body regardless of country or language group. They translate the same crap back and forth. They don't call it the WT Doctrine so they would of course not be able to answer if they asked what it was. It's basically their own silly little interpretations of the bible. They twist the prophecy in revelation to make it seem that their organization alone is fulfilling all of it. As well as their own beliefs on a class of 144,000 with a "heavenly hope" and the rest of the faithful JWs with an "earthly hope". They will make it seem reasonable but the bottom line is they are taking things literally that weren't supposed to be. They may try to seem reasonable and non judgmental but in reality this is not the case.

    Perhaps your wife is not yet aware of all the nuiances or else she feels it will put you off if she tells every detail. Likely someone is coaching her on how to handle you so as how to be best "attract you to the truth"

    The watchtower tears apart families. At first they will try to "encourage" you to get involved. If you resist they will start "encouraging" your wife to spend more time on watchtower things. Meetings, studying, and going door to door will rob you of your family time.

    They will start to tell her that people will oppose her studying, at that point it will become VERY hard to pull her away. Everytime you try to tell her what is going on she will react to it and it will prove (in her mind) that they were right.

    A good place to start is www.freeminds.org they have articles on how the JWs control people and how to break you family free.

  • shamus
    shamus
    Overnight you will turn from loving husband to follower of Satan.

    First off, welcome to the forum!

    I replied in the other thread where you posted, but just wanted to make mention of what another poster said, quoted above in the box.

    That poster is 100 percent correct.

    Right now, they are putting on they're "love show" for your wife. And it's easy to get suckered into it... it happened to me! In your other post, you said that something was not quite right at the "kingdom hall". You are 100 percent correct! They are all back-biting each other, but put on the love show for the new recruit! The honeymoon will be over when your dear wife gets baptized. Then, it's over!

    I strongly suggest that you read a book on cults, and find out how to best help her. This is a destructive cult, and many wives have divorced they're husbands because of "spiritual endangerment".

    Anyhow, welcome to the forum and I"m sorry that you have to deal with this right now. Please do deal with it, though, and do it today. The longer you wait the harder it may be for her.

    They are considered a cult and you should treat them as such; a dangerous threat to your relationshiop with your wife and your family.

  • gumby
    gumby
    Are they different than English ones, or is all the extreme controll and deceit

    First.....welcome!

    The "Watchtower" believes that a group of men who reside in brooklyn have the authority by god to tell all Jehovah's Witnesses AROUND THE WORLD what they are to believe and preach.

    You would do well to learn about this group if you feel you can still reach your mate with the negativity you will learn about the witnesses.

    Nice of you to come here.

    Gumby

  • Winston Smith :>D
    Winston Smith :>D

    hey family man,

    Sargon gave a good overview of what the doctrine is.

    New ones are not exposed to the 'other' set of rules until they are baptised for a duration.

    After baptism, one should not miss field service every week, has to give talks every three months or so, answer at meetings, study for the five meetings a week, can not do some sexual practices, can't accept blood, celebrate ANY HOLIDAYS.

    No sports clubs through school for the kids, the kids can't have non-jw friends from school, nor can they go to pep ralleys or school dances.

    the sooner you get her to see the dangers of the WTS, the better chance you have of saving your family.

    The spanish congregations are growing faster in the USA than the english speaking ones, but the rules are just the same. And the elders and others will regulate the congregation just the same as well.

    Why when I asked my wife's sister about it [JW of course] why did she act as it did not exist.
    Because we as JW's feel [rather, I felt] that we just followed the bible, that there are no hard and fast rules, when really, there are tons of rules

    Why hasn't my wife mentioned the door to door and the logging of hours yet?
    they may not have pushed it with her yet. But please know this, it is MANDATORY that she does so after she is baptised else she will be labeled as 'INACTIVE' by the elders. A baptised JW must, MUST get hours in EVERY MONTH else the 'INACTIVE' label will be put on her, along with spiritually weak, worldly, etc. If she is weak as a JW and you don't get baptised, then YOU will be villified and used as one of the reasons that your wife is 'spritually weak'.
    Right now it seems harmless but something wicked is brewing and I can feel'our familiy unravelling. On the surface all is calm, but deep down there is something eirie behind theri suits and dresses and wide grins.
    Trust your gut. Pandora's Box is slowly being pried open on your family by the JW's. The sooner you close the box the better

    For now Birthday's are still safe, but I'm worried the brainwashing will work.
    If you are worried, that likely means that you have a gut feeling that the psychobabble that the JW's spew forth may be effective on your wife. Plus her sister is in it, which is makes it more difficult for you. You have good reason to worry.
    Is the WT as dangerous as you all say?
    They DESTROY families. They have destroyed my marriage. They even quote Jesus' words in the Bible to back them up for breaking up families with this Mode of Operation in mind. They feel NO REGRET in breaking up families, having your wife study behind your back, and sneaking her off to conventions without your blessing. They have little respect for husbands who are non-JWs and will put their demands ahead of you and your family's needs.
    What do they gain from their control?
    More members, more money, and then more people going door to door to get even more members. And the high control will ensure that the JW NEVER leaves. If for instance YOU start raising a stink about her studying, they have ALREADY TOLD HER that she will be persucuted even by family members for studying with the JW's So by you trying to protect your wife and start to questioning her as to why she is with the JW's, you end up fulfilling a JW prophesy in her mind that the JW's may be right because now MY OWN HUSBAND is even perecuting me for studing with the JW's just like the JW's predicted. Therefore in her mind she'll conclude even moreso that the JW's 'Have the Truth!' I
    obviously am not a JW nor desire to become one, but I will fight to keep my wife from faling into this organization. I need to win her back to keep my family toghether
    Damn straight!

    Sorry for the rambling but I don't know where to begin to understand their motives and methods
    Most don't. It's seems harmless enough on the surface. But once in, it's a real bugger to get out. The JW's are like ticks. It's easy to brush a tick off when it first jumps on your skin. but give them time, and it is next to impossible to get them out without some level of heat or suffocating stradegy. good luck!

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