E-watchman... does something unexpected

by czarofmischief 28 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • imallgrowedup
    imallgrowedup

    Many, including myself, have been harsh towards him - which is only natural considering how frustrating he has been. However, if he is really opening his eyes about the troof, then I am happy for him. A lot of people did some things they are not proud of as a Witness - including shunning others. Although this guy has been a major thorn in the side of many, it is my humble opinion that he deserves forgiveness if that is what he is seeking. I think that since we have embraced Sassy and Euph, as well as one another, we can certainly embrace him.

    *fastening suit of armor and ducking behind a tree*

    My .02,

    growedup

  • xjw_b12
    xjw_b12

    Thanks Czar. I haven't visited there for quite a while, but the tone and direction of that piece and the links do seem to indicate a change of direction. I'm going to have to go back later and review the archives.

    His article and links are very well done though.

  • czarofmischief
    czarofmischief

    Hey growed,

    My whole beef with e-watchman has been his abusive streak towards those who lead lifestyles opposed to the traditional puritan American lifestyle. Ie, he shows no compassion towards gays, could never understand someone living together before they got married, etc. I admit, he calls it like he sees it, but I found the tone of his judgemental calls on individuals to be too close to the old JC elders style.

    For instance, he sent me some pretty strongly worded emails, back when he first started, that claimed I had abandoned Jehovah and that by living with my fiancee I was taking something that didn't belong to me. I guess he meant her poonanner. Which has always been the czarina's, and she bestows it where and when she pleases. When she read the emails she was infuriated and called him some pretty choice things.

    which all misses the point. At that stage in my life I could have used some friendly guidance, and what I got was someone trying to be a high priest concerned with my spiritual purity.

    So, I've hated his judgemental streak on the individual, especially on matters that I feel properly belong to the individual conscience to decide (like blood transfusions). It's too old testament. And I keep consistently calling him on it, because I would hate for the battered flock of the JW's to wander from one abusive high priest to another without fair warning. Jesus motivated whores and tax collectors to change without any pressure, by being their spiritual friend, not by being their master.

    Now, the WT obviously deserves all the scathing denunciation he can muster, and this letter thing seems to be an interesting attempt to reach out to individuals. So, let's wait and see.

    He seems to have moderated his tone somewhat. But I will be watching to see if he has truly changed.

    CZAR

  • imallgrowedup
    imallgrowedup

    Hey Czar!

    I am really hoping I didn't offend you with my last post! You know I am a huge supporter of yours - especially when it comes to e-watchman! I was just simply trying to say that if he is finally opening his eyes as we have wanted him to do all along, and (although I didn't stress this enough earlier), he is asking for our forgiveness, then we should consider it. He may never come over here asking for support and this whole comment of mine could be a moot point. But if he does, I just wanted to plant the seed that perhaps we should consider refraining from bashing him - kicking him while he is down, so to speak - even though he apparently did with you. (I didn't realize that until now - sorry to hear about it.) But as far as I know, he hasn't come over here, so perhaps I have jumped on my soapbox a bit early. For what it is worth, I would personally LOVE to see him come over here and identify himself so we can find out more what life was/is like as e-watchman undercover. Like him or loathe him, I am sure he has an interesting story. Maybe he might even take back words he said to you in self-righteous indignation. Who knows?

    Hmmmm..... maybe I should have waited to make my comments about letting up on him, but since the cat is out of the bag, I'm going to stick by what I said, including my clarification. I hope you will love me anyway! (And I know you will 'cuz yer ma friend!!!)

    growedup

  • czarofmischief
    czarofmischief

    No,

    Not offended at all. Not a supersensitive type, in case you haven't worked that out yet.

    If e-watchman asks for my forgiveness for his words and attitudes, of course he has it. It wouldn't take anything divine or particularly superhuman to let a few strong words go. Hell, I've said some pretty foul things myself. In reality, I've already forgiven him in that I don't actively hold those words against him as though he owed me something for having said them. He doesn't.

    It isn't the man that bothers me. It's the harsh attitudes and bullying tactics that do. I fail to see how such a harsh rhetoric makes him an improvement over the WT. If I wanted a human to judge me, hell, I could go to a Baptist church. At least they have good music.

    Now, if he wants to take the lead in using unconventional tactics to break the spiritual tyranny that has devastated so many of us, well, then, maybe I'll help. But I refuse to replace one tyrant with another. So, he needs to not be tyrannical, or to try to be a master over anybody's faith but his own.

    CZAR

    PS: Of course I luvs ya, growed, you know that. hugs!

  • imallgrowedup
    imallgrowedup

    Czar -

    I understand what you are trying to say. He needs to stop being preachy and stop being judgmental. He needs to focus on himself and his spiritual journey, and not the journeys of others. Have I got it right?!

    Anyway, I'm glad to know you luvs me anyway! I will hold your dear sentiments close to my heart forevermore! LOL!

    growedup

  • Mr. Kim
    Mr. Kim

    It will be interesting to see what people truly think about the opportunity to speak up and not be the cowards that just go along with the R&F group. Truth is truth...........

    Mr. KIM

  • czarofmischief
    czarofmischief

    That is a good point, Mr. Kim. It would be a satisfying experienc to help bring the truth to Bethelites.

    But. I'm afraid that by supplanting the tyranny of the WT, I will be opening the door to an even worse monster. If E-watchman had the Wt's power, he would be worse than they are. So, I'm scared to help him for fear of delivering injured sheep right into the paws of a manipulative wolf. I would need to see some evidence of a gentler attitude on his part, before I would feel comfortable helping him, I htink.

    CZAR

  • Mr. Kim
    Mr. Kim

    Czar,

    You said: But. I'm afraid that by supplanting the tyranny of the WT, I will be opening the door to an even worse monster. If E-watchman had the Wt's power, he would be worse than they are. So, I'm scared to help him for fear of delivering injured sheep right into the paws of a manipulative wolf. I would need to see some evidence of a gentler attitude on his part, before I would feel comfortable helping him, I htink.

    Answer: Be assured that the "powerful ones" are watching and roaming about---- looking into the hearts of man--everywhere! When the time is right,-- when the time is right at a set time nobody will suspect............................

    Mr KIM

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