5.- Discipline must be for "educational" or "corrective" purposes, not motivated by anger or frustration.
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Spankings In The KH Bathroom
by Hunyadi 22 Replies latest watchtower child-abuse
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Atilla
The problem is that the organization makes no arrangement or special distinction for the education of children. No child, especially a 2 year old can sit still for two hours and look at terrorizing pictures in the My Book of Bible Stories. So, basically these children are punished usually because after an hour they become restless just like the adults but are unable at that age to control their emotions.
To get deeper into the issue, I think you have to look at the whole culture that the society fosters inside the organizatoin. There is almost this fear to be seen as different or to be causing a scene. It's not necessarily spoken but the spirit is in the air like a heavy fog and influences everyone's actions. Thus, when your child at meeting "is bad" i.e.-restless; there is this unspoken code saying that the child needs punished. I always thought it was funny that the society is so proud that it didn't separate their children from the rest of the congregation into like a Sunday School program. Why? The earlier you start brain washing, the better. Plus, why would you want your child to even have the resemblence of a normal childhood? Basically, childhood is a waste of time-go straight to adulthood and start the preaching work.
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blondie
I can remember my brother calling the restroom at the KH the spanking room. He was terrified of going to the restroom his first day of school because he thought that was a spanking room too. When his teacher found out why he had peed his pants, she scheduled a meeting with my mother. I will give my mother credit, the spankings stopped. (They didn't work any way).
Meetings are bad enough, 2 hours, but conventions were the worst, 3 hours (or more) nonstop sitting.
How many non-JW parents take their kids to a 3 hour movie or a 3 hour dinner?
Blondie
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Latte
Blondie,
Did you ever hear the illustration of the father/mother repeatedly making their child go to the toilet whilst they were watching their favourite cartoon?? (audience always laughed!)
This obviously helped instil in the child that meetings were meant to be sat through, and not interrupted by the call of nature.
What?s a kid to do to get out of that miserable hall?
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Elsewhere
Did you ever hear the illustration of the father/mother repeatedly making their child go to the toilet whilst they were watching their favourite cartoon?? (audience always laughed!)
WHAT??? Your kids didn't ENJOY the meetings as much as watching cartoons??
Clearly you have failed in instilling the love of Jehover in the heart of your child... because you are a failure as a parent your child will DIE and become bird food with the rest of this horrible and sinful world!
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TresHappy
I remember an elder telling me he had to beat his son regularly because it would be better to be beaten than destroyed at Armageddon!
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franklin J
I remember this very vividly. And i agree that it is impossible for a small child to sit through those awful two hour meetings. I was one of those kids that got slapped regularly; until I learned to sit still and "be quiet". The brain washing and conditioning started early.
I attend a family mass with my wife (and children) at the local Catholic church. We are surrounded by other young families just like us. The mass is 30-45 minutes long; and there is a constant "fracas" of kid noises from the audience. Kids are kids. No one mindsl These children are "celebrated" and are asked to participate by bringing up contributed food ( canned or boxed for the less privledged) to the alter. They then sing a song with the choir; and they love it, feeling that they have contributed to the service.
There is also a playroom for any child that just must be taken out and "stretched". After the service there is lemonade and cookies for the kiddies; and coffee and cake for the adults. It is a very pleasent; supportive community of people. There are no beatings.
I suppose this is a form of conditioning also. But unlike the JW community, it is one that will be remembered as loving; supporting and , yes, pleasant.
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nilfun
There is also a playroom for any child that just must be taken out and "stretched". After the service there is lemonade and cookies for the kiddies; and coffee and cake for the adults. It is a very pleasent; supportive community of people. There are no beatings.
Wow. Sounds nice
*tries to imagine....
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Elsewhere
There is also a playroom for any child that just must be taken out and "stretched".
Sorry... but I keep getting this image in my mind of a bunch of kids strapped to Racks and being stretched.
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Gretchen956
Oh my... my parents were as dysfunctional as they come, and they believed in fear-based upbringing. We were never allowed a compliment because nothing we looked like, or could ever do was a reflection of personal talent, etc., it was a reflection of god. They never failed to point out to us that we were only specks of dust and always unworthy.
Now spankings, that was my mom's forte. She prided herself on being able to knock down her teenage son. When it came to me the spankings were early and often. I was a stubborn and willful child. I don't think I ever went to a meeting until I was a teenager when I didn't get one. I remember one meeting I was particularly bad and I knew I was going to get it. I stuck a phonebook down the seat of my pants. The "clunk" sound gave it away and I got it way worse. My mom used whatever was handy, a stick, a willow-switch, a belt, whatever she could get her hands on. Early on I decided she only won if I cried. So I would set my feet and stare at her and not a tear would escape. Of course she was hell bent on beating me until I did cry.
So, my lesson was "don't ever cry." Nice lesson for a child. And actually, all these years later I have to say I have forgiven both my parents because they were uneducated, ignorant people who were brainwashed into a cult where that was encouraged and cultivated (the ignorance). Not like they ever knew any better, they came from homes where they were raised the same way themselves.
I decided the abuse stopped with me. I did spank my son, but only a few times over the years. He was hyperactive with attention deficit, so imagine how much fun we had at the meetings. By that time, though, things had changed and in that congregation there were a couple of elders that did not believe in spankings and said so from the podium, they called it abuse. At any rate we (my son and I) started out with time outs and talking about it, usually one or the other worked. But after a long time when I used those means he would work himself up to this state (after a period of months even a year sometimes or longer) when he would just get so wound up he was totally out of control and nothing would settle him down. Then I took him to his bedroom and talked to him and told him that we had come to the point where I was going to have to discipline him stronger and that he was going to get a spanking. I used my hand only on his butt. Afterwards when he had calmed down, we talked about why he had received the spanking. He always responded to the talking most of all.
I have to feel sorry for him, it was really difficult for him to make friends in the congregation because of this, because he was like a puppy that hasn't seen you for awhile, just a ball of energy, very rambunctious.
I left when he was about 10, and because I left, they shunned him. I always suspected that it was because of that reason.
At any rate, I think the spanking thing is different at different congregations just like everything else.
Gretchen