lies?? (feel free to express your opinions)

by blink sk8 25 Replies latest jw friends

  • ZeroKool29
    ZeroKool29

    Here's something I've never been able to share with some x-jw's, but I am glad someone posted the "what about the earth filling up" thing. And, amazingly enough, I didn't have this conversation until AFTER I was DF'd.

    One day me and my df'd friend Dan were sitting in our apartment, we'd just smoked some pot and we started talking about the Bible, and Ecclesiastes, and then we started rattling off some post-Armageddon theories. This was a conversation that was based on JW doctrine but loose and inclusive in a way that never would have flown in the JW KH setting.

    We started talking about the earth eventually being filled up, because we were taught that humans would not stop pro-creating during the millenial reign and on into eternity. Then we started thinking, right now humans are said to only be using a small portion of our brain's total capacity. What if (a question JW's don't like much), What if, during the 1000 year reign as we progress toward perfection we learn how to travel faster and farther distances, interstellar travel. We were also taught that man would not revert back to a lower level of technology so that fit in the realm of JW doctrine. So, once the earth gets filled, then we make preperations and move to another planet. we terraform the planet, make it livable and then people go there and eventually THAT planet gets filled up. And so on and so on until humans are on every planet in every solar system in every galaxy in the whole universe. But that would take a LONG time, would it not? Who cares!? It's eternity, right? And what if, during that expansion and colonization process, as we continue to grow and expand our minds, we begin to develop into beings that can accomplish things by thought, by will, maybe we can fly? Maybe we've learned how to teleport? What if we advanced SO far that we ceased to exist as we do now and became beings of pure energy? Like angels? ANd what if, once that happens, we all, an entire UNIVERSE of energy beings, coalesced and became a part of this once immense, unfathomable universal being known as God? Jehovah? Would it not make you realize why the bible calls God "a happy God?" And who's to say that would be the first time that such a thing had ever happened?

    Again, who knows, right? IN the uncertainty of it all, one eventuality is just as likely as any other, but it sure made sense at the time, and since that time, I've never looked at things quite the same. It was nice being able to just rattle of possibilities and just to speculate and that, I think, it something that is missing from JW's and other organized religions everywhere. In that moment, Dan and I regained some of childish wonder and our enthusiasm, and that, to me, would be what I would want my creation to do, if I were God. I would want them to be happy trying to make sense out of the mystery of their lives, not being instructed and browbeaten and de-humanized. Just some of my thoughts.

  • Joyzabel
    Joyzabel

    Ok, I can understand about your questioning the earth being filled...what next thing.

    BUT...

    "if it was okay for people to have more than one wife in the bible days and to be in an army, why can't we do these things today?"

    lol, you're too young to be worried about more than one wife! unless you are eyeballing the Mormons and want to join them!!!!

    Joy

    glad to see that you are thinking!

  • Valis
    Valis
    Well some of the more optimistic (aka horney) brothers we knew opted for the "we might populate other planets" theory

    well hell yes we all still think that! Sincerely, District Overbeer of the "Wanna Procreate In Space" class

  • dustyb
    dustyb

    ....NO SEX?!?!?!? i have to cut it off and die. i couldn't handle it.

  • Hunyadi
    Hunyadi

    Yes, we have been told for years that it was Jehovah's purpose to "fill the earth" not over-fill it. So the WTBTS pretty much says that reproductive powers will cease once the earth is filled.

    Gosh, how strange to live in a perfect world that is not so perfect since there will be no children . . . guess I am not grasping the deeper things the GB understands.

    Hunyadi

  • dustyb
    dustyb

    oh, btw, in the OT you were stoned if you cheated on your wife. you were pretty much stoned for disobeying any Mosaic rule. so are you glad you aren't going to be stoned when you get to that point in your life when you wanna go "have some fun" with a girl? its something that really can't be understood.

    heh, you wanna know something i was thinking about when i was really drunk one nite? well i was sitting there thinking, well, god doesn't accept anything thats not perfect, wether it be sacrifice or talking to us or whatever. so, when we ARE perfect (according to JW's), will we be able to blaze with God or anything? i mean, would we be able to have an intelligent conversation with God? who knows.

  • A Paduan
    A Paduan

    Among all the theothinking revelatory sessions of spiritual food about your future behavioural existence, how come no one puts their hand up and says something simple like, " Isn't it written that 'those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh' ?"

    It reminds me of the story I heard about the drop of poison in the glass, how come no one says something like, "But isn't it written 'and if they drink any deadly thing, it will not hurt them' ?"

    It sounds so obvious - is that just me or what ?

  • Dansk
    Dansk

    Welcome blink sk8,

    I'm not sure where you're coming from, i.e. whether you're and active JW here for advice or a desperate-to-get-out JW. Whatever, good to have you here!

    The truth is, the paradise story is baloney - as you probably have realised. To give an example, if one's deeply loved spouse dies in this system, in the new system one isn't allowed to procreate with that spouse because death cuts the marriage ties. But, what if the one who dies comes back and sees his deeply loved spouse walking away to procreate with their new husband/wife? How can THAT be paradise?

    And while everyone is humping and bumping and puffing and panting the animals are dying in their billions. Ah, but they aren't like us - they are just here for our enjoyment. So, the little doggy or pussy or panda or tiger that I grow attached to and go walkies with is going to die. Oh joy of joy, but not to worry. After all, this is paradise. My wife is humping someone else, my favourite animal has just breathed it's last breath but, what the heck, I can always get me a new doggy, pussy, panda or tiger and befriend that and take that for walkies..............until it dies but, hey, what the heck, this is paradise and while I'm bumping into so many people because they're humping and bumping and puffing and panting and my most beloved wife, whom I lost 'cos I died, is now on her 34th pregnancy and yet another favourite animal has kicked the bucket, hey, what the heck, this is paradise.....................

    Ian

  • Tuesday
    Tuesday

    Oh my God man, it sounds like when you get stoned you start thinking. All that happens with me is I write down stuff and later can't make sense of it. "Hampster Nipples? What was I thinking?" As for the question my mother always told me the populate other planets theory, for some reason everyone in my congregation was always thinking life would be like it was when people first started populating the U.S. they'd have to farm and no electricity, stuff like that. Oh and since the whole world would be a paradise we could populate every inch of it like upper Canada and Antarctica. I'd still rather die, I like my flawed system of things, where else can you at three in the morning order a pizza and watch a porno just because you had the urge to? Certainly not in the "new system". I think I'm better off here.

  • razorMind
    razorMind
    My mother told me this one. That Jehovah created the other planets for witnesses.

    I was told this too. And sadly, I believed it. Most of the congregration accepted it as truth.

    They kill me when they disparage other cults with their "far-fetched" and "ridiculous" ideas about spending eternity on other planets, spaceships, and aliens.

    And JW's are supposedly, uh, NOT a cult? Um, hello Heaven's Gate?

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