by Mysterygirl 21 Replies latest jw experiences
Mysterygirl:
I read your first post, where when you were born, your dr. felt you should be a "girl"...so he felt genetically, your female genes were much stronger.
Your parents made a wrong decision based on elders thinking "males" have more status in the WTBS.
The course of your life proved that your doctor at your birth was correct, you always had strong female tendencies. All your documents say you are a woman.
You must be a woman.
Codeblue
I was thinking about gender and the angels. According to the WTS, while angels take on male bodies when appearing to humans, they are neither male nor female in their spirit form.
If that is the case, what is going through an angel's mind when it leaves behind a genderless spirit body to become a human male and to return to that genderless state?
You were a hermaphrodite then you were neither male nor female, but had a gender assigned to you. So you're going back to being male is ludicrous since you were never male in the beginning but both.
Some elders are dorks. They think because elders on their local body decided they had the qualifications to teach the Bible that makes them qualified doctors, psychiatrists, psychologists.
I'm glad to hear you are in counseling and getting support.
And I think I have problems.
Blondie
Very interesting point Blondie
If the spirit realm is genderless that must mean that Jehovah does not view gender a very important.
Maybe he views all people as equal and does not discriminate genders> If this is the case then why does the Org put such a high piorety over male and females
Food for thougth
Your a human being. Everything else is subject to interpretation....yours! Maverick
Ask this elder what he would think if
a boy (physically male) was raised a girl by his parents because they "wanted" a girl. This boy was brought up in JWs as a girl. The child, when reaching puberty clearly realised he wasn't a girl and started to wear boys clothes and live as a boy. Would they have a problem with that? NO because they'd admit that the parents were wrong in the first place and that his gender is boy.
So with you, you are a woman. You are a woman. The only difference here is that your parents were given permission to bring you up as a boy by the WATCHTOWER against the advice of medical professionals. Therefore they are the ones at fault, not you.
Hugs
Sirona
Maverick
well said, imho
Mysterygirl
I read yr story a couple days back, you are truly a 'survivor' Glad you made it.
On another note:
Maybe he views all people as equal and does not discriminate genders>
if 'Jehovah' doesn't discriminate, then why is the gender of this entity always 'he'?
... more food for thought
talesin
Mysterygirl, wow, you have quite a story and I am sorry to see the way you have been treated. Unfortunately they probably won't change their viewpoint on the matter. Do you want to go back to an organization that treats you so poorly? Maybe you are better off not accepted. Many of us have left for various reasons, true some of us might have made the choice rather than be forced out, but the thing is that what are they for making these judgement calls on you. That isn't love.
We accept you for who you are. And any support you need, we are happy to be here for you.
hi mysterygirl, welcome to the forum
I do not have any answers concerning gender except to quote a famous old saying ; from a common perspective--"if it looks like a duck; quacks like a duck and walks like a duck--then, it must be A DUCK"
To respond in brief, if you tell us you are a woman and present yourself as one; who are we ( or anyone for that matter) to question you?
forget what the elders told you. Welcome to the forum, you are among friends here
Welcome!
My husband and I heard Kate Bornstein speak many years ago at OSU. I liked some of the things she tried to do in her book to get people to think outside the box regarding gender. So think about it, but you don't have to buy into all of it; just the parts that fit into your unique perspective of the world.
The reason that I am asking this is, I had a visit from a elder (that I have never meet before)and he was talking about my transexuality and the reason I was Dfs. He agreed with my above coment, I asked if there would ever be any chance that I could be reninstated? His answer at this time was not untill I revert back to being a male. Thing is I was never a full male to start with I was born "Hermaphodite" and never had the complete package of a male.
Here are some to questions to think about. They may help you to think outside the box.
So I ask the Question to the readers
I have the package that a woman has, I look like a women, I talk like a women, my birth certificate say Im a woman, SO WHAT AM I????
Any answers please
Only you know the answer to this. It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. When you come to that realization, and you will get there, you will realize what a strange elder, your parents, your siblings, Kate Bornstein, or the people on this board think has nothing to do with what YOU FEEL.
Good luck on your journey.
Feel free to PM me anytime you need to talk.
Tammy :-)
MG,
Maybe he views all people as equal and does not discriminate genders> If this is the case then why does the Org put such a high piorety over male and females
it's a male dominated society!
