Quote - Does anyone know from where?

by Lady Lee 14 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    I recieved the following today and was wondering if anyone knows what it is from and is it an exact quote?


    This was posted on a message board that has nothing to do with religion. This is what the public thinks. Topic -> A Jehovah's Witness gave me a booklet today.... "Through nature and revelation, through His providence, and by the influence of His Spirit, God speaks to us. But these are not enough; we need also to pour out our hearts to Him. In order to have spiritual life and energy, we must have actual intercourse with our heavenly Father."
  • gitasatsangha
    gitasatsangha
    we must have actual intercourse with our heavenly Father."

    someone with deuphilia?

  • Golden Girl
    Golden Girl

    No..but I do know.."I'm gonna Die!...

    No spiritual life and energy for me....

    And I refuse to do that last thing!!!!!

    Snoozy...

  • Sassy
    Sassy

    That appears to have come out of this book:

    Steps to Christ by Ellen Gould Harmon White

    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0828015201/qid=1077828968/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/002-0918985-3012844?v=glance&s=books
    I put in what you typed in yahoo search and came up with several sites that referenced this book. Chapter 11 I believe it was from.

    http://www.greatcontroversy.org/books/sc/sc.html

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    hmmmmmm

    So Sassy you don't think it comes from a WT booklet? It sounds really bizarre

  • Sassy
    Sassy

    oh no.. not at all.. word for word verbatum is from that book.. and it appears to be a controversial book too..

    I would think that the WTS considers it wrong to read!

  • MacHislopp
    MacHislopp

    Hello Lady Lee

    I have also researched the entire quote, - with Google- and this is one of the results:

    From this link: http://www.earlysda.com/steps/steps-to-christ10.html

    Only giving some part of it:

    Steps to Christ (chapter 10)

    THE PRIVILEGE OF PRAYER.

    Through nature and revelation, through his providence and by the influence of his Spirit, God speaks to us. But these are not enough; we need also to pour out our hearts to him. In order to have spiritual life and energy, we must have actual intercourse with our Heavenly Father. Our minds may be drawn out toward him; we may meditate upon his works, his mercies, his blessings; but this is not, in the fullest sense, communing with him. In order to commune with God, we must have something to say to him concerning our actual life.

    Prayer is the opening of the heart to God as to a friend. Not that it is necessary, in order to make known to God what we are, but in order to enable us to receive him. Prayer does not bring God down to us, but brings us up to him.

    When Jesus was upon the earth, he taught his disciples how to pray. He directed them to present their daily needs before God, and to cast all their care upon him. And the assurance he gave them that their petitions should be heard, is assurance also to us.

    Jesus himself, while he dwelt among men, was often in prayer. Our Saviour identified himself with our needs and weaknesses, in that he became a suppliant, a petitioner, seeking from his Father fresh supplies of strength, that he might come forth braced for duty and trial. He is our example in all things. He is a brother in our infirmities, "in all points tempted like as we are;" but as the sinless one, his nature recoiled from evil; he endured struggles and torture of soul in a world of sin. His humanity made prayer a necessity and a privilege. He found comfort and joy in communion with his Father. And if the Saviour of men, the Son of God, felt the need of prayer, how much more should feeble, sinful mortals feel the necessity of fervent, constant prayer.

    Our Heavenly Father waits to bestow upon us the fullness of his blessing. It is our privilege to drink largely at the fountain of boundless love. What a wonder it is that we pray so little! God is ready and willing to hear the sincere prayer of the humblest of his children, and yet there is much manifest reluctance on our part to make known our wants to God. What can the angels of heaven think of poor helpless human beings, who are subject to temptation, when God's heart of infinite love yearns toward them, ready to give them more than they can ask or think, and yet they pray so little, and have so little faith? The angels love to bow before God; they love to be near him. They regard communion with God as their highest joy; and yet the children of earth, who need so much the help that God only can give, seem satisfied to walk without the light of his Spirit, the companionship of his presence.

    The darkness of the evil one incloses those who neglect to pray. The whispered temptations of the enemy entice them to sin; and it is all because they do not make use of the privileges that God has given them in the divine appointment of prayer. Why should the sons and daughters of God be reluctant to pray, when prayer is the key in the hand of faith to unlock heaven's storehouse, where are treasured the boundless resources of Omnipotence? Without unceasing prayer and diligent watching, we are in danger of growing careless and of deviating from the right path. The adversary seeks continually to obstruct the way to the mercy-seat, that we may not by earnest supplication and faith obtain grace and power to resist temptation.

    There are certain conditions upon which we may expect that God will hear and answer our prayers. One of the first of these is that we feel our need of help from him. He has promised, "I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground."* Those who hunger and thirst after righteousness, who long after God, may be sure that they will be filled. The heart must be open to the Spirit's influence, or God's blessing cannot be received.

    Our great need is itself an argument, and pleads most eloquently in our behalf. But the Lord is to be sought unto to do these things for us. He says, "Ask, and it shall be given you." And "he that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?"*

    If we regard iniquity in our hearts, if we cling to any known sin, the Lord will not hear us: but the prayer of the penitent, contrite soul is always accepted. When all known wrongs are righted, we may believe that God will answer our petitions. Our own merit will never commend us to the favor of God; it is the worthiness of Jesus that will save us, his blood that will cleanse us; yet we have a work to do in complying with the conditions of acceptance.

    Another element of prevailing prayer is faith. "He that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him." Jesus said to his disciples, "What things soever ye desire when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them."* Do we take him at his word?

    The assurance is broad and unlimited, and he is faithful who has promised. When we do not receive the very things we ask for, at the time we ask, we are still to believe that the Lord hears, and that he will answer our prayers. We are so erring and shortsighted that we sometimes ask for things that would not be a blessing to us, and our Heavenly Father in love answers our prayers by giving us that which will be for our highest good,--that which we ourselves would desire if with vision divinely enlightened we could see all things as they really are. When our prayers seem not to be answered, we are to cling to the promise; for the time of answering will surely come, and we shall receive the blessing we need most. But to claim that prayer will always be answered in the very way and for the particular thing that we desire, is presumption. God is too wise to err, and too good to withhold any good thing from them that walk uprightly. Then do not fear to trust him, even though you do not see the immediate answer to your prayers. Rely upon his sure promise. "Ask, and it shall be given you."

    (etc. etc.)

    THE SINNER'S NEED OF CHRIST.

    REPENTANCE.

    CONFESSION.

    CONSECRATION.

    FAITH AND ACCEPTANCE.

    THE TEST OF DISCIPLESHIP.

    GROWING UP INTO CHRIST.

    THE WORK AND THE LIFE.

    A KNOWLEDGE OF GOD.

    THE PRIVILEGE OF PRAYER.

    WHAT TO DO WITH DOUBT.

    REJOICING IN THE LORD.

    °°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°

    Quite an interesting reading.

    Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    Ok if this comes from a non-JW book is it possible the WT has quoted it somewhere?

  • blondie
  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

    They want me to screw gawd???

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