California Supreme Court and Religious Freedom

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  • czarofmischief
    czarofmischief

    I don't think the Bethelites GET health insurance...

    As far as Catholic Charities is concerned, what is the deal? Do they provide their own health insurance, or do they contract with another provider?

    I can see that if the charity must pay for its workers choices in health insurance, which might include birth control. But if they ARE their own health insurance company, I'm not sure why the state would get involved telling them what they HAVE to pay for.

    National plan, funded by taxing religion. Ahhh... how sweet it would be...

    CZAR

  • ThiChi
    ThiChi

    What has happened to Freedom of Religion? The Government is too involved with every aspect of our lives to the point that they control almost everything.

    This Socialism that has affected most of the free world must be stopped. The Institutions and traditions which has made our country great must be protected.

    You don?t like an employer?s insurance plan? Get another job......

  • czarofmischief
    czarofmischief

    The choices are this: either a national health plan, or we have violent revolution. People mock me when I say this, but the simmering discontent over our health issues strikes even into the deepest pits of our society. I have wandered through biker bars where this topic is being debated. People are getting truly resentful that Europe and Canada have all this great stuff and we don't.

    Either socialism or communism - and I prefer socialism.

    CZAR

  • Phantom Stranger
    Phantom Stranger

    Interesting points on this story from the Sacramento Bee: http://www.sacbee.com/content/women/story/8396395p-9316740c.html

    Werdegar's majority opinion listed a string of precedents in which the U.S. Supreme Court and other courts have refused to carve exemptions for religious objectors into laws advancing critical governmental objectives. <like the draft...>

    Catholic Charities, the church's social welfare arm, claims its religious rights are violated by the 4-year-old statute that's seen by proponents as a model for accommodating religious values, health-care concerns and the rights of women to make their own birth control decisions. The law exempts churches as well as nonprofits whose mission is religious and whose staff and clientele share the organization's religious tenets.

    The test case was filed by Catholic Charities of Sacramento. The decision covers Catholic Charities organizations throughout California, their 4,100 employees, who include many non-Catholics, and other primarily secular enterprises such as church-affiliated hospitals.

    Carol Hogan, communications director for the California Catholic Conference, said Catholic Charities affiliates in Sacramento and some other locations have been covering contraceptives "under duress" during the litigation because their insurers have complied with the statute. <in other words, the insurance companies have been covering it anyway>

  • ThiChi
    ThiChi

    ""Europe and Canada have all this great stuff and we don't.""

    It is not so great.....

  • Sara Annie
    Sara Annie
    5 says they go with a medical savings account for drug benefits

    Interestingly, you can use your FBP medical savings account for any approved health care related cost--and those are federal regulations, not company specific. I have birth control coverage in my health plan as well as a voluntary FBP account that I can then use to pay for my prescription co-pay. I save even more money that way, with copay coverage for my birth control as well as being able to use pre-tax dollars to pay that same copay.

    Companies that don't offer managed FBP (medical and dependent care) are way behind the times. If I were in the market for a new job and was looking at two equal positions where the availability of FBP was present in only one, I'd take that one. With the inclusion of over the counter medical remedies to the list of approved expenditures, anyone who isn't using it is a certified idiot.

  • Phantom Stranger
    Phantom Stranger

    On June 21, 2000, the World Health Organization released the World Health Report ? Health Systems: Improving Performance, which is accessible at http://www.who.int/whr/ (World Health Report). The World Health Report ranked the U.S. 37th out of 191 countries. According to the World Health Report, the objective of a health care system is to be both good and fair. Thus, a health care system should strive to achieve the highest possible average level of health with the fewest disparities among individuals and groups. Americans must face the fact the U.S. health system is not good and fair as so defined. (See The Health Care Fairness Act of 1999 at http://www.law.uh.edu/healthlawperspectives/HealthPolicy/991118HCFAct.html for a discussion of the lower health status of minority populations in the U.S.)

    According to the World Health Report, of the 191 countries in the study, the U.S. spent the highest percentage (13.7%) of its Gross Domestic Product on health care but still managed only to achieve an overall ranking of 37. The World Health Report also found that private (non-governmental) health expenses as a percentage of total health expenses in most industrialized countries average only 25% because most have universal health coverage. In the U.S., however, private (non-governmental) health expenditure runs 55.9%.

    How can anyone say that a country with health care/status that ranks 37th of 191 and 12th of 13 truly has the best health care in the world?

    MELANIE R. MARGOLIS
    Research Professor, University of Houston's Health Law and Policy Institute. B.A., Smith College; J.D., University of Houston.

    excerpted from http://www.law.uh.edu/healthlawperspectives/HealthPolicy/000807Myth.html

    08/07/00

  • logansrun
    logansrun

    czar,

    Are you shitting me? You -- a socialist? Oh my Christ!

    B.

  • Phantom Stranger
    Phantom Stranger

    logansrun, you have a pm.

  • ThiChi
    ThiChi

    "....How can anyone say that a country with health care/status that ranks 37th of 191 and 12th of 13 truly has the best health care in the world?..."

    Your numbers seem to make a very powerful point.....

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