confusion abounds,
I was reading articles saying it was not a disfellowshiping offence, it used to be,then it wasnt,now it is again,
How can anyone keep up.Havent they read in the bible where it says god never changes
Automatic DA?ing of anyone taking a blood transfusion, now in the U.S!
by cyberguy 26 Replies latest jw friends
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shotgun
Sounds like they don't know which way to go...nothing new I guess in that respects.
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freedom96
The WTS has a lot to answer for when it comes to blood transfusions. They are going to have a big problem on their hands if they ever change their doctrine. All those thousands that died. Don't know if they will ever be able to do that one.
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orangefatcat
Don't get me wrong here, but I thought that a person can only DA themselves. How would the Society do that.? I would seem to me that they would rather Disfellowship not DA. I believe.
Could someone clarify for me.
Thanks Orangefatcat.
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Elsewhere
I wonder if they realize that they are opening themselves up to slander lawsuits?
An elder will always get on the stage and say "Brother/Sister So and So has Disassociated him/herself".
This will lead to shunning despite the fact that the person never communicated to the elders that they were no longer a JW. Slander from the stage.
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Gopher
I thought that a person can only DA themselves. How would the Society do that.?
Technically that is still true. The position of the organization is -- a JW can disassociate themselves EITHER by word or by action.
So if you take an action that would disqualify you from being a JW (such as military service or acceptance of a blood transfusion), you have taken an ACTION that disqualifies you from being JW. So with that, they can "read you off" from the platform without forewarning, I guess.
The question is, why not ask the person involved as to their motive and intent, and see if they are "repentant"? I mean, the person's entire social structure is about to change if they're DA'd.
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Loris
the person's entire social structure is about to change if they're DA'd.
Add that kind of shock to a person recovering from a serious medical event and you have one nasty scenerio for disaster. The bastards.
Loris
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No Apologies
I agree with elsewhere, this sounds like a lawsuit for slander just waiting to happen.
What if I just plain don't know which particular component or procedure is on the disapproved list this week, and I pick the wrong one???? I'll get DA'd for that? Evidently I will, since there is no real investigation done, where I could explain to the loving elders how I never wanted to break Jehover's unchangeable laws in the first place...
Somehow this loophole they seem to think they have discovered needs to be closed down. Its all semantics, and somehow this needs to be conveyed to whatever judicial system they are trying to scam.
Bottom line is, if word gets out that you have accepted a blood transfusion, you will be shunned by JW friends and family. Whether its DA or DF is irrelevant, coercion is being used to override your conscience/free will.
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Rick Aust
I particularly am concerned that the NEW books no not cover Blood transfusions at all. Lets consider the scenario, someone is taught about the kingdom and this earth passing away, based mainly on this they get batized and change their lives styles, they loose their old freinds and make freinds only with the JW's, then a blood Transfusion may be needed for some reason, then they are told that if they do take one then they'll get DAed and on one will talk to them. sounds like a sneeky trap.
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cyberguy
You're right, Rick!
They can DA you, but the blood issue isn't covered in the "worship" book (the prior book, United in Worship, did have a chapter on blood). This is really "over-the-top" for me! I can't believe they would take this stand, when the blood issue isn't clearly explained. How can they do this to people? Finally, do they have any scriptures to back up their DA policy, generally speaking? I do not know of any!